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rico43

rico43

<B>Director of Minor League Reports</B>
What if the Braves go with either or both Riley and Camargo at third base this year?

Simple question, complicated answer:

1) Spend big on ... something ... this winter.

2) Save the money for a big midseason grab

3) Blockbuster trade!

4) Do nothing else.

5) AA moves in strange and mysterious ways, whatever we speculate on is wrong.
 
rico43 said:
What if the Braves go with either or both Riley and Camargo at third base this year?

Simple question, complicated answer:

1) Spend big on ... something ... this winter.

2) Save the money for a big midseason grab

3) Blockbuster trade!

4) Do nothing else.

5) AA moves in strange and mysterious ways, whatever we speculate on is wrong.
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What if Braves go with Riley and Camargo: Definite maybe
1) Spend big: Had some chances not really many big deals left. Donaldson: At this time I think slightly less than 50%
2)Save til mid season: Possible. The current roster is better than the 2018 lineup
3)Blockbuster trade: Could happen but cant forget long term needs when everyone is going to ask for top grade prospects
4)AA is on record stating needs going into this offseason. Got the catcher, got Keuchels replacement. Donaldson replacememt: not yet. Cleanup bat: See Donaldson replacement: Not yet.
5)Lots of GMs out there needing to make moves. AA is aware of all of them. Who knows at this time and please don't say Heyman or Rosenthal or Bowman or OBrien. I know: Lets ask Furman Bisher
 
I'd almost rather pass if if we can't get JD on a 3 year deal. I really don't want to be paying him 20+ million when he's 38 and likely to be 1-2 WAR player at best.

Is there any interest in Matt Carpenter? Figure he's basically a straight salary dump at this point, but he was an MVP candidate just 14 months ago. Could be a nice rebound candidate.
 
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Carp said:
I'd almost rather pass if if we can't get JD on a 3 year deal. I really don't want to be paying him 20+ million when he's 38 and likely to be 1-2 WAR player at best.

Is there any interest in Matt Carpenter. Figure he's basically a straight salary dump at this point, but he was an MVP candidate just 14 months ago. Could be a nice rebound candidate.
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Wondered about Carpenter too, but just don't see how he'd fit. Could likely get him for a song given that contract, but he's probably worse defensively at 3B than Ozuna or Castellanos in LF and the LH bat isn't as good a fit. Seager would seem to be a better fit since he's the better defender, plus the Mariners really seem like the type of team that would overvalue Riley since they're already in the middle of a rebuild. Just feels like Dipoto could be fleeced into paying down some of Seager's money for Riley straight-up.

He hasn't really been discussed much but if AA could get them to eat some of Seager's money and he could get Puig on a one or two year deal, a Freddie, Puig, Seager, d'Arnaud middle of the lineup might not be too shabby.
 
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clvclv said:
Wondered about Carpenter too, but just don't see how he'd fit. Could likely get him for a song given that contract, but he's probably worse defensively at 3B than Ozuna or Castellanos in LF and the LH bat isn't as good a fit. Seager would seem to be a better fit since he's the better defender, plus the Mariners really seem like the type of team that would overvalue Riley since they're already in the middle of a rebuild. Just feels like Dipoto could be fleeced into paying down some of Seager's money for Riley straight-up.

He hasn't really been discussed much but if AA could get them to eat some of Seager's money and he could get Puig on a one or two year deal, a Freddie, Puig, Seager, d'Arnaud middle of the lineup might not be too shabby.
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Riley for Seager + plus cash? I highly doubt Atlanta does that... what would be the incentive? Seattle needs to add Haniger to the deal to receive any prospects/MLB-ready players at Riley's level.
 
Worst case scenario is someone like Shaw for 3b, Souza for the bench, and a nice chunk of change available mid-season to improve a true talent ~90 win team if required.
 
UNCBlue012 said:
Riley for Seager + plus cash? I highly doubt Atlanta does that... what would be the incentive? Seattle needs to add Haniger to the deal to receive any prospects/MLB-ready players at Riley's level.
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Serious question for anyone who cares to try to explain their thinking while actually going on the record about someone...

If you think enough of Riley to say there's "no incentive" in moving Riley for Seager plus cash, exactly why is AA looking for a 3B? Honestly. If you think that's a wash at best, then why on earth is AA considering giving a 4th year and ~ $100 million to Donaldson? If you wouldn't move Riley for a more proven guy like Seager, why not just spend $5-$10 million for one year and have Shaw platoon with him? That would leave you $15-$20 million to add some combination of 1.) Ozuna or Castellanos, 2.) Puig and one of Iglesias or Schoop, 3.) Puig, Hechavarria, and Homer Bailey, 3.) Souza, Schoop or Iglesias, and try to catch lightning in a bottle with someone like Aaron Sanchez, Taijuan Walker, or Jimmy Nelson.

The point is - if you wouldn't trade Riley for Seager, he's good enough to be the weak-side of the 3B platoon NOW and you're crazy for spending a bunch of money at 3B when you can spread it out and make this a seriously deep roster that resembles the teams the Dodgers have been putting together over the last few years. If Snitker won't put the players in the right situations to succeed, fire him and put someone in his place that will.
 
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I wouldn't trade Pache for Seager. That doesn't mean Pache should play 3B in Atlanta this year.
 
clvclv said:
Serious question for anyone who cares to try to explain their thinking while actually going on the record about someone...

If you think enough of Riley to say there's "no incentive" in moving Riley for Seager plus cash, exactly why is AA looking for a 3B? Honestly. If you think that's a wash at best, then why on earth is AA considering giving a 4th year and ~ $100 million to Donaldson? If you wouldn't move Riley for a more proven guy like Seager, why not just spend $5-$10 million for one year and have Shaw platoon with him? That would leave you $15-$20 million to add some combination of 1.) Ozuna or Castellanos, 2.) Puig and one of Iglesias, or Schoop, 3.) Puig, Hechavarria, and Homer Bailey, 3.) Souza, Schoop or Iglesias, and try to catch lightning in a bottle with someone like Aaron Sanchez, Taijuan Walker, or Jimmy Nelson.

The point is - if you wouldn't trade Riley for Seager, he's good enough to be the strong-side of the 3B platoon NOW and you're crazy for spending a bunch of money at 3B when you can spread it out and make this a seriously deep roster that resembles the teams the Dodgers have been putting together over the last few years. If Snitker won't put the players in the right situations to succeed, fire him and put someone in his place that will.
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Do you know what a "strong side of a platoon" is? Here's a hint, it isn't a RHH like Riley. Do you ever know what you're talking about?

Since logic is lost on you, I will break it down verrrry slowly...

Riley is a valuable player as a potential impact bat. Problem is, the Braves are in win-now mode, and can't afford to have potential taking up a place in the order they need to produce offensively. Let both of those sentences sink into your empty boomer skull for a bit before you furiously reply with more stupidity.

After that sinks in, read the following sentence: A guy with plate discipline issues probably isn't going to improve while being the weak side of a MLB platoon. Riley is most likely best served getting everyday PAs somewhere, most likely AAA to start the season. Now allow that to sink in for a bit too. Really try to understand. Try hard.

It really isn't that hard to understand. The fact you think the Dodgers would build a deep roster by trading a guy like Riley for a guy like Seager is yet another nail in the coffin of your stupidity.
 
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Until a long term solution to 3d is found and a suitable cOF bat for LF is found, this talk of moving Riley for short time replacements is a waste of time. His early bat this year reminded me a bit of Gattis but unlike Gattis he is a viable prospect at 3rd and proved himself to be a viable cOF. Not the type of 22 year old prospect you foist off on someone else.
 
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Do you know what a "strong side of a platoon" is? Here's a hint, it isn't a RHH like Riley. Do you ever know what you're talking about?

Since logic is lost on you, I will break it down verrrry slowly...

Riley is a valuable player as a potential impact bat. Problem is, the Braves are in win-now mode, and can't afford to have potential taking up a place in the order they need to produce offensively. Let both of those sentences sink into your empty boomer skull for a bit before you furiously reply with more stupidity.

After that sinks in, read the following sentence: A guy with plate discipline issues probably isn't going to improve while being the weak side of a MLB platoon. Riley is most likely best served getting everyday PAs somewhere, most likely AAA to start the season. Now allow that to sink in for a bit too. Really try to understand. Try hard.

It really isn't that hard to understand. The fact you think the Dodgers would build a deep roster by trading a guy like Riley for a guy like Seager is yet another nail in the coffin of your stupidity.
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Was a *ucking typo prick...get over yourself.

As for building a Dodgers' type of deep roster, you're sure as *ell not going to make the bench or rotation any deeper by giving Donaldson $25 million per or trading for Arenado.
 
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PawPawMaxwell said:
Until a long term solution to 3d is found and a suitable cOF bat for LF is found, this talk of moving Riley for short time replacements is a waste of time. His early bat this year reminded me a bit of Gattis but unlike Gattis he is a viable prospect at 3rd and proved himself to be a viable cOF. Not the type of 22 year old prospect you foist off on someone else.
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Gattis 2013 (382 PAs)
O-Swing%: 43.3%
Z-Contact%: 82.8%

Riley 2019 (297 PAs)
O-Swing%: 41.3%
Z-Contact%: 73.7%

Gattis had bad plate discipline, but at least he could make contact with pitches in the zone. Oh, and he could also play catcher, which has the lowest offensive bar of all position players.

I'm not sure folks fully appreciate just how bad Riley was at making contact...literally the worst in all MLB at it.
 
clvclv said:
Was a *ucking typo prick...get over yourself.

As for building a Dodgers' type of deep roster, you're sure as *ell not going to make the bench or rotation any deeper by giving Donaldson $25 million per or trading for Arenado.
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Derp. Silly boomer.

How much do you think Hech and Souza are going to cost for the bench?
 
I think Ozuna/Shaw instead of 4 years to Donaldson is certainly a defendable position.

But that's contingent on Ozuna not getting a lot more than projected.
 
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Derp. Silly boomer.

How much do you think Hech and Souza are going to cost for the bench?
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You tell us genius - you think you're the numbers God.

Souza was healthy enough to play in more than 120 games once in his 5 plus years of service time. Name the team that goes anywhere near paying him for his 1.2 Win Steamer projection. Those precious Steamer projections have him as a 1.2 WAR performer over 125 games. He's played 120 or more games in a season 4 times in his career, and 2 of those came when he was in A ball and High A 8+ years ago. Who's going to "step up" and give him $9 million - and count on him for anything???

Those same all-knowing projections have Shaw as a $7-ish million player and Hechavarria as a $3-ish million player in 2020. If you can afford to give Donaldson $25 million and still plan on adding a backup SS (~ $3 million), there doesn't seem to be any reason you can't sign Ozuna or Castellanos, Shaw, and Hechavarria for the same amount of money - particularly when you'd cut Duvall loose and save a couple million bucks.
 
clvclv said:
You tell us genius - you think you're the numbers God.

Souza was healthy enough to play in more than 120 games once in his 5 plus years of service time. Name the team that goes anywhere near paying him for his 1.2 Win Steamer projection. Those precious Steamer projections have him as a 1.2 WAR performer over 125 games. He's played 120 or more games in a season 4 times in his career, and 2 of those came when he was in A ball and High A 8+ years ago. Who's going to "step up" and give him $9 million - and count on him for anything???

Those same all-knowing projections have Shaw as a $7-ish million player and Hechavarria as a $3-ish million player in 2020. If you can afford to give Donaldson $25 million and still plan on adding a backup SS (~ $3 million), there doesn't seem to be any reason you can't sign Ozuna or Castellanos, Shaw, and Hechavarria for the same amount of money - particularly when you'd cut Duvall loose and save a couple million bucks.
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LOL. Scheff's post clearly went over your head.
 
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