Official Offseason Thread

Carp said:
1. Over the last 3 years, Ender has generated more WAR than Joc. That's a fact. Even over the last 4 years, Ender still has a .1 WAR edge. And since Joc came into the league, Joc only leads Ender in WAR by a mere .7 WAR. So please, don't act like Joc is clearly superior player. He has a small advantage currently, due to coming off a better season, but there is no real reason to assume Ender will be either bad defensively or poor offensively in 2020.

2. No one said Camargo was likely to repeat 2018. Harrry said Camargo AND Ender would have to return to 2018 form in order for the Braves not be better off with Joc. That is beyond absurd. 2018 Ender and 2018 Camargo were both better than 2019 Joc.


I'm not sure what people's infatuation is with Joc Pederson, but he's an extremely limited player. He's basically another Jay Bruce, except he's a worse defender. Definitely useful, but not a great fit on this team since Neck isn't going anywhere.
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He's definitely an offensive upgrade over Ender and Nick, but only a clear upgrade over Nick in terms of overall value. If we didn't already have Ender/Neck to platoon with Duvall (and maybe Riley or something depending on what Camargo does), then Joc might make some sense. Since we already have them, its hard to envision many trades that don't feel mostly lateral. The one that Harry proposed where we'd send Camargo, Jenista, and Wilson seems like a significant downgrade long term and a marginal downgrade in the short term **. Trading Ender for a 3rd baseman would likely mitigate some of that short term downgrade (maybe even turn it into an upgrade), but it would also presumably cost us more of our high end prospects for a player of note, further downgrading our long term vision.

Like a lot of Harry's posts, they are kinda fun to think about since he always forces you to figure out a valid way to make it work. But that's because they are often convoluted and don't seem to accomplish a great deal other than moving around parts. I'm talking more about his more recent win now trades, and not the rebuild era trades designed to deal everyone with a functioning brain stem off the roster so as to not waste a drop of value on losing teams.

** Edit: Its only a marginal downgrade because we'd be dealing away Camargo and Wilson away, hurting both our offensive and pitching depth regardless of what you think of those particular players.
 
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Carp said:
1. Over the last 3 years, Ender has generated more WAR than Joc. That's a fact. Even over the last 4 years, Ender still has a .1 WAR edge. And since Joc came into the league, Joc only leads Ender in WAR by a mere .7 WAR. So please, don't act like Joc is clearly superior player. He has a small advantage currently, due to coming off a better season, but there is no real reason to assume Ender will be either bad defensively or poor offensively in 2020.

2. No one said Camargo was likely to repeat 2018. Harrry said Camargo AND Ender would have to return to 2018 form in order for the Braves not be better off with Joc. That is beyond absurd. 2018 Ender and 2018 Camargo were both better than 2019 Joc.


I'm not sure what people's infatuation is with Joc Pederson, but he's an extremely limited player. He's basically another Jay Bruce, except he's a worse defender. Definitely useful, but not a great fit on this team since Neck isn't going anywhere.
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That's not what I said. I said they would have to return to 2018 form for the Braves not to be better off with Joc, plus Stripling, plus long term commitment freed from Inciarte, plus whatever trade return you get by dealing Inciarte. This was never trade Camargo and Inciarte for Joc. It was trade Camargo and a couple of prospects not in the Braves top 4-5 prospects for Joc and Stripling which allows you to trade Inciarte for best available return.
 
Joc can't play CF right? So if we trade Ender we don't have a backup CF since I'm assuming in this scenario Acuna plays there full time. Would no doubt be an offensive improvement, but not sure how we'd give Ronnie a break. Can Duvall cut it in the middle?
 
Krgrecw said:
He’s so lucky he wasn’t caught by a woman or a kid. His career and life would be over
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yes it would be terrible if a grown man who masturbated in front of a child were harshly punished. that's NOT the world i want to live in, amirite?
 
i have no idea how i was triggered by anything there...just another lazy, silly, overused R word. but when you got that good mississippi education...
 
Super said:
i have no idea how i was triggered by anything there...just another lazy, silly, overused R word. but when you got that good mississippi education...
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That's the difference between you and I, I don't look to be offended by everything by complete strangers on the internet. Matt was clearly joking
 
msstate7 said:
That's the difference between you and I, I don't look to be offended by everything by complete strangers on the internet. Matt was clearly joking
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...i know matt was joking, you dumb ****. i responded with a joke..............
wow they ain't lying about mississippi.
 
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