MLB suspends ST and likely beginning of season, per Passan

bravesfanMatt said:
H1n1. Why I thought that was SARS is beyond me.
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Okay, so now you want to compare H1N1... well when H1N1 was on US soil for 2 months, there were 147 confirmed cases. In under 2 months since COVID-19 has been on US soil (first case on 1/19/2020), there are over 3000 cases confirmed. Not to mention the mortality rate for COVID-19 is significantly higher than H1N1. So it spreads much faster and is deadlier and there is no vaccine. Apples to apples, thus far 3000+ cases compared with 147 dude. And H1N1 killed over 12,000 (300,000+ hospitalized) Americans over 2 years. You think maybe if we had put in place more extreme measures then, we wouldn't have had 12,000+ people die? I'm sorry man, but all of your assumptions about what you think you know about this situation is wrong. If we stay on the current exponential curve, then we will have millions of Americans hospitalized, overwhelming the healthcare system with hundreds of thousands dying. That's not hyping, that's reality if nothing changes.
 
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zbhargrove said:
Okay, so now you want to compare H1N1... well when H1N1 was on US soil for 2 months, there were 147 confirmed cases. In under 2 months since COVID-19 has been on US soil (first case on 1/19/2020), there are over 3000 cases confirmed. Not to mention the mortality rate for COVID-19 is significantly higher than H1N1. So it spreads much faster and is deadlier and there is no vaccine. Apples to apples, thus far 3000+ cases compared with 147 dude. And H1N1 killed over 12,000 (300,000+ hospitalized) Americans over 2 years. You think maybe if we had put in place more extreme measures then, we wouldn't have had 12,000+ people die? I'm sorry man, but all of your assumptions about what you think you know about this situation is wrong. If we stay on the current exponential curve, then we will have millions of Americans hospitalized, overwhelming the healthcare system with hundreds of thousands dying. That's not hyping, that's reality if nothing changes.
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"...From April 12, 2009 to April 10, 2010, CDC estimated there were 60.8 million cases (range: 43.3-89.3 million), 274,304 hospitalizations (range: 195,086-402,719), and 12,469 deaths (range: 8868-18,306) in the United States due to the (H1N1)pdm09 virus...."

Source: CDC

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/2009-h1n1-pandemic.html

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Just posted that to show it was 1 year, not 2
 
msstate7 said:
"...From April 12, 2009 to April 10, 2010, CDC estimated there were 60.8 million cases (range: 43.3-89.3 million), 274,304 hospitalizations (range: 195,086-402,719), and 12,469 deaths (range: 8868-18,306) in the United States due to the (H1N1)pdm09 virus...."

Source: CDC

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/2009-h1n1-pandemic.html

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Just posted that to show it was 1 year, not 2
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Fair enough, but still doesn't change anything. I mistakenly said two years just because I had 2009 and 2010 in my head.
 
If we did nothing and COVID-19 were to be contracted by as many people as the flu on a yearly basis (which would be pretty likely by the way since there is no vaccine) you're talking about death tolls conservatively ranging from about 200k-500k people. That would officially be (I believe) the deadliest virus in the US since the Spanish Flu.
 
UNCBlue012 said:
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Assuming they even start back, they'd have to do a week or two of extent spring training to get rhe players back into the thick of things?
 
weso1 said:
I wouldn't mind seeing a few homerun derbies like they did way back when.
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Anyone remember the ESPN show that they matched up HR hitters in black and white? It was fake... well, pretty sure it was fake... I was a kid, and watched it after school
 
bravesfanMatt said:
Simply washing hands. Not touching face and limiting exposure to the elderly would be just as effective as all this bull crap the media and panicked public is driving.
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you're ****ing wrong, you dummy. that is objectively not true. why are you spouting nonsense? experts disagree with you.
compare south korea and italy. you don't know what you're talking about. i'm deferring to experts. you're deferring to..what, exactly?
 
The thing is, while horrible, COVID-19 isn't especially deadly. When the cold war ended, news came out of Russia that they had been working on biological weapons for 50 years tailoring them to be both contagious and deadly. They were cooking up virus combinations like small pox & plague combined. You can bet that if the Russians were doing it then everybody else was too and still are. People live in oblivious daydreams not concerning themselves with natural or man made disasters then panic when things inevitably happen.

I have to say that I detest panic. It does no good and often significant harm. You don't have to be a prepper to be prepared in a significant way. Just use you're head for something other than to grow hair.
 
Horsehide Harry said:
The thing is, while horrible, COVID-19 isn't especially deadly. When the cold war ended, news came out of Russia that they had been working on biological weapons for 50 years tailoring them to be both contagious and deadly. They were cooking up virus combinations like small pox & plague combined. You can bet that if the Russians were doing it then everybody else was too and still are. People live in oblivious daydreams not concerning themselves with natural or man made disasters then panic when things inevitably happen.

I have to say that I detest panic. It does no good and often significant harm. You don't have to be a prepper to be prepared in a significant way. Just use you're head for something other than to grow hair.
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The death rate lies somewhere between 4%-10%... that's pretty significant for a disease that spreads as quick as COVID-19 does.
 
zbhargrove said:
The death rate lies somewhere between 4%-10%... that's pretty significant for a disease that spreads as quick as COVID-19 does.
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You missed the point.

Things happen. They always have. Most people want to wander through life telling themselves that things don't happen, even against evidence, so they can feel more secure and not have to think about what actions to take.

Given the category of naturally occuring, flu-like diseases, COVID-19 is pretty significant as a contagion and resultant death rate. But, given some of the other possibilities (like the one I referenced above), it's not that significant.

People panic because they are subjected to the unknown. Sometimes things are unknown because they are ignored as improbable even in the face of evidence otherwise. To acknowledge the possibility of something means that you have to do something about it, like prepare. In general people don't do that. We get panic and ignorance which make things worse.
 
Horsehide Harry said:
You missed the point.

Things happen. They always have. Most people want to wander through life telling themselves that things don't happen, even against evidence, so they can feel more secure and not have to think about what actions to take.

Given the category of naturally occuring, flu-like diseases, COVID-19 is pretty significant as a contagion and resultant death rate. But, given some of the other possibilities (like the one I referenced above), it's not that significant.

People panic because they are subjected to the unknown. Sometimes things are unknown because they are ignored as improbable even in the face of evidence otherwise. To acknowledge the possibility of something means that you have to do something about it, like prepare. In general people don't do that. We get panic and ignorance which make things worse.
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I will respectfully have to disagree... many models show hundreds of thousands of people in the US (potentially even millions) could die from this thing. Hopefully the measures we are taking will mitigate that, but if we were to do nothing most models show that 40 to 70 percent of the global population would have the disease. This has the potential to be one of the worst pandemics we've ever seen. So yeah, it is that significant. And no, that is not hype, it is information from the leading infectious disease expert in the country, the CDC, the WHO, and brand new peer reviewed studies. You are saying the potential of millions dying across the globe is "not that significant."
 
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CyYoung31 said:
10%? Where in the hell did you get that number? Your ass?
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10% is likely high but for some locations it is that high (okay, so looking at the data only one place: as of now reported cases have Italy at an 11% death rate... 31,506 and 3,526 deaths). Early in the outbreak the rate was as high as 17% in China. After everything leveled out, the WHO estimated 2% globally... now they've updated the average globally to 3.4%... Wuhan overall saw 5.8% as of Feb 20. So yeah, as I was typing that initially, I was simply posting based on memory and the upper range is not likely everywhere. Still, it is nowhere near as "insignificant" as Harry is making it out considering the insane spread rate.


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Italy is at 11%
Iran is 6.1%
Spain 4.5%
China total 4%
UK 3.6%
France 2.2%
US is at 1.6%
South Korea ~1%

Source: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
 
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zbhargrove said:
I will respectfully have to disagree... many models show hundreds of thousands of people in the US (potentially even millions) could die from this thing. Hopefully the measures we are taking will mitigate that, but if we were to do nothing most models show that 40 to 70 percent of the global population would have the disease. This has the potential to be one of the worst pandemics we've ever seen. So yeah, it is that significant. And no, that is not hype, it is information from the leading infectious disease expert in the country, the CDC, the WHO, and brand new peer reviewed studies. You are saying the potential of millions dying across the globe is "not that significant."
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You are arguing something I never said or wrote.

I will simplify: It's bad but COULD POTENTIALLY BE A LOT WORSE. I'm not arguing that COVID-19 isn't bad. I'm saying that it is relatively minor compared to how bad things could be given true worst case like a designer disease (as I referenced in my original post).

People freaking out over this are showing that they never thought about anything bad happening to them under any circumstances. Ever.

The best thing to do:

Think.

Keep Calm and grow a pair.
 
Horsehide Harry said:
You are arguing something I never said or wrote.

I will simplify: It's bad but COULD POTENTIALLY BE A LOT WORSE. I'm not arguing that COVID-19 isn't bad. I'm saying that it is relatively minor compared to how bad things could be given true worst case like a designer disease (as I referenced in my original post).

People freaking out over this are showing that they never thought about anything bad happening to them under any circumstances. Ever.

The best thing to do:

Think.

Keep Calm and grow a pair.
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But isn't it silly to compare this to designer viruses that may or may not even exist? Sure plenty of governments have worked hard on trying to develop them but thankfully to this date we've never seen one released. Theoretically they are possible, but we have no way of knowing if they've ever actually been completely developed.
 
I have lots of logistical questions about the 2020 season.

What happens in regards to player service time this year? If the season is cancelled will contracts be tolled? What happens to pre FA players. Will teams gain extra control? Will contracts be prorated? Is their any type of precedent for this?
 
zbhargrove said:
But isn't it silly to compare this to designer viruses that may or may not even exist? Sure plenty of governments have worked hard on trying to develop them but thankfully to this date we've never seen one released. Theoretically they are possible, but we have no way of knowing if they've ever actually been completely developed.
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you're talking to the guy who argued MLB players would move to Japan and play there should a "socialist" be elected.
i wouldn't waste my time.
 
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