The Coronavirus, not the beer

First it was hospitalizations were the crisis. [Hospitalizations come in significantly under projections]

Now its about people dying.


These pathetic leftists just want authoritarianism.
 
sturg33 said:
Yeah goldy carp, and sav have definitely supported the Trump approach

Sturg supports the Sweden approach
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Trump is putting politics above the best decision for the country because old people vote more than anyone.

What a disappointment.
 
I have been very supportive of the lockdowns. Flattening the curve is important to allow the medical community to develop therapeutic treatments (either drugs or techniques) that save as many lives as possible. That has happened and our medical system can support additional cases.

At this point, we need to collectively support a reopening. Outside of New York, the US is on par with Germany. If Germany can reopen its economy, so can the US. Of course, this needs to be done in stages and by region, but we need to stop shaming local governments when they decide to lift restrictions.
 
The most obvious thing would be some states had less spread the start with.

I think there is room for debate over exactly what should be shut down. Not sure beaches are really that different than parks that are open here in NYC, but I haven’t really looked into it. Everything is ultimately a balancing test and that balance won’t be the same everywhere.

But mainly I’m concerned that sturg still thinking it is illegal to go outside. Go outside buddy!
 
chop2chip said:
I have been very supportive of the lockdowns. Flattening the curve is important to allow the medical community to develop therapeutic treatments (either drugs or techniques) that save as many lives as possible. That has happened and our medical system can support additional cases.

At this point, we need to collectively support a reopening. Outside of New York, the US is on par with Germany. If Germany can reopen its economy, so can the US. Of course, this needs to be done in stages and by region, but we need to stop shaming local governments when they decide to lift restrictions.
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I agree with this.
 
Metaphysicist said:
The most obvious thing would be some states had less spread the start with.

I think there is room for debate over exactly what should be shut down. Not sure beaches are really that different than parks that are open here in NYC, but I haven’t really looked into it. Everything is ultimately a balancing test and that balance won’t be the same everywhere.

But mainly I’m concerned that sturg still thinking it is illegal to go outside. Go outside buddy!
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It is kind of a strange point in time. Some states that have been hit the hardest now seem to have brought R naught significantly below one (using growth in 7 day average of new cases vs prior 7 days). Some states that have been only lightly affected are seeing a spike in cases.

It would be nice to have more testing for both sets of situations. It would be nice now. And it is important to have it in the future.
 
chop2chip said:
So if Georgia, Florida, and Texas adopt the same approach and get different results what does that tell you?
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For one, it tells me that, in general Texas and Florida (outside of Miami) weren't hit nearly as hard as GA, and confirmed cases per 100k backs that up.
 
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chop2chip said:
I have been very supportive of the lockdowns. Flattening the curve is important to allow the medical community to develop therapeutic treatments (either drugs or techniques) that save as many lives as possible. That has happened and our medical system can support additional cases.

At this point, we need to collectively support a reopening. Outside of New York, the US is on par with Germany. If Germany can reopen its economy, so can the US. Of course, this needs to be done in stages and by region, but we need to stop shaming local governments when they decide to lift restrictions.
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Our situation is a bit different than Germany's in two important ways. I checked the data a couple days ago so it might be stale but my proxy for R naught (7 day moving average vs prior 7 for new cases) shows an R naught of around .7 in Germany and a little over 1 here. And the other difference is the per capita testing.

Update on R naught proxy:

0.63 in Germany
1.04 in the United States
 
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thethe said:
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Why?
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I suppose at least 2 reasons might be:

1. Early in the crisis, there were questions whether asymptomatic people could spread the virus (we still don't know to what degree that asymptomatics are contagious)

2. They had no one else to care for the residents. Staffing shortages have been reported throughout this crisis and someone has to care for the residents.
 
Carp said:
I suppose at least 2 reasons might be:

1. Early in the crisis, there were questions whether asymptomatic people could spread the virus.

2. They had no one else to care for the residents. Staffing shortages have been reported throughout this crisis and someone has to care for the residents.
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I think 2 is very valid but in regards to 1 I think its been known for a long time.
 
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