The Trump Presidency

zbhargrove said:
Their stance towards refugees and immigration are extreme, it's a white nationalist and isolationist approach for a country which was built on immigration. Trump is our President. AOC couldn't even get Bernie or Warren to be competitive. The right has moved just as much as the left. The white nationalism is a major problem.
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There is no question a radical element of the right wing. Anyone denying there isn't a bunch of white people who hate all ethnicities is kidding themselves.

But that position is not strongly represented in the current party. Controlling your borders is not racist. Hispanic Americans support this almost 50%. To me this is a terrible talking point for the left and a main reason why Hispanic support for trump is very high.

AOC got every democratic candidate to decriminalization illegal immigration, support Medicare 4 all and some type of expansion of traditional welfare systems.

It is not comparable from my biased eyes. The radicalization of the left has far outpaced the right.
 
thethe said:
Confucius institutes and the morny influx on universities is well documented. China is using every tactic possible outside of direct military confrontation to overtake the US.

Making us fight each other is their best move.
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Hell, at the beginning of April, Trump was just gushing over what an "incredible" and "tremendous" job China has been doing over the virus. This was well after is was widely publicized and documented that they screwed the pooch.
 
zbhargrove said:
Hell, at the beginning of April, Trump was just gushing over what an "incredible" and "tremendous" job China has been doing over the virus. This was well after is was widely publicized and documented that they screwed the pooch.
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Yeah, and its a big reason why trump has failed during this crisis.
 
thethe said:
There is no question a radical element of the right wing. Anyone denying there isn't a bunch of white people who hate all ethnicities is kidding themselves.

But that position is not strongly represented in the current party. Controlling your borders is not racist. Hispanic Americans support this almost 50%. To me this is a terrible talking point for the left and a main reason why Hispanic support for trump is very high.

AOC got every democratic candidate to decriminalization illegal immigration, support Medicare 4 all and some type of expansion of traditional welfare systems.

It is not comparable from my biased eyes. The radicalization of the left has far outpaced the right.
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At least you recognize you are biased. I am concerned with both sides, but the radical right scares me far more. And I was a life long Republican before Trump.
 
thethe said:
Any particular reason for this?
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A cult of personality leader and the white nationalist message to me, when speaking to an angry group of people, makes a dictatorship and an authoritarian regime much more likely to become reality in a country where we thought that would not be possible. I may not agree with Bernie or Warren, etc... but I believe they truly care about the people they represent. I don't think Trump cares one bit about anyone but Trump. If he goes down, he will do his damndest to make American go down, too.
 
zbhargrove said:
A cult of personality leader and the white nationalist message to me, when speaking to an angry group of people, makes a dictatorship and an authoritarian regime much more likely to become reality in a country where we thought that would not be possible. I may not agree with Bernie or Warren, etc... but I believe they truly care about the people they represent. I don't think Trump cares one bit about anyone but Trump. If he goes down, he will do his damndest to make American go down, too.
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But who is pushing for larger government and a more authoritative one at that?
 
thethe said:
But who is pushing for larger government and a more authoritative one at that?
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By past standards, the Democrats... however, the Trump Administration has spent funds at a reckless rate, well before the COVID stimulus stuff.... I mean the simple fact paying that much money for a wall that literally does nothing to curb illegal immigration or drug trafficking should tell you all you need to know. We're just going to have to agree to disagree man. But Trump is a legit disaster and ticking time bomb. If our friends had his Twitter behavior, we'd be calling them after every tirade, concerned for their health/safety or the health/safety of others in their life. The dude is legit unhinged and he is leading our country.
 
zbhargrove said:
At least you recognize you are biased. I am concerned with both sides, but the radical right scares me far more. And I was a life long Republican before Trump.
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I call bull**** on the "life long Republican" claim. He called Rush Limbaugh a political charade 5 posts ago. This guy's no former Republican. LOL
 
MrShwag said:
I call bull**** on the "life long Republican" claim. He called Rush Limbaugh a political charade 5 posts ago. This guy's no former Republican. LOL
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I used to listen to Rush quite a lot back in the 90s... now he's off his rocker. Believe what you want as I could really care less what you believe about me.
 
thethe said:
Personally I think the far right is much smaller than the counterpart on the left.

Who are the figures on the far right that are as influential as AOC and her crew?
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zbhargrove said:
Umm... our President?
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Don't let this guy know that Donald Trump was a Democrat most of his adult life and only shifted to the Republican Party as the Democrat Party shifted further and further left and embraced globalist America-last policies. American-first is not "far right" or "white national" or "xenophobic" it's about prosperity for all Americans and it was working with the economy booming and unemployment at the lowest levels and then this pandemic hit at just the most convenient time to give the Democrats an in on the 2020 election. And it was manufactured in a Chinese lab, the team taking the biggest hit across the pond from America-first policies. And the Democrats love that team. They seem to align with China in many ways. It's pathetic. Hell Diane Feinstein was literally driven by China. And I'm sure she's not the only one. OH wait, those are "tin foil hat" conspiracies. Cover your eyes. Cover your ears. The Democrat party is pro-China and anti-America-First.
 
MrShwag said:
Don't let this guy know that Donald Trump was a Democrat most of his adult life and only shifted to the Republican Party as the Democrat Party shifted further and further left and embraced globalist America-last policies. American-first is not "far right" or "white national" or "xenophobic" it's about prosperity for all Americans and it was working with the economy booming and unemployment at the lowest levels and then this pandemic hit at just the most convenient time to give the Democrats an in on the 2020 election. And it was manufactured in a Chinese lab, the team taking the biggest hit across the pond from America-first policies. And the Democrats love that team. They seem to align with China in many ways. It's pathetic. Hell Diane Feinstein was literally driven by China. And I'm sure she's not the only one. OH wait, those are "tin foil hat" conspiracies. Cover your eyes. Cover your ears. The Democrat party is pro-China and anti-America-First.
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There also wrong on almost every issue.
 
Metaphysicist said:
I'm glad that thethe found someone to listen to him finally.
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I've been here all along in this Dem forum. Generally entertaining. Especially around election times.. 2016, FUN. 2018, not so fun. 2020, FUN AGAIN! DJT really brings 'em out to the polling stations. Lines for days.

edit: Oh you were talking about that other guy. He wasn't listening all that well. Just not becoming hysterically adversarial. There bar is low these days.
 
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MrShwag said:
Don't let this guy know that Donald Trump was a Democrat most of his adult life and only shifted to the Republican Party as the Democrat Party shifted further and further left and embraced globalist America-last policies. American-first is not "far right" or "white national" or "xenophobic" it's about prosperity for all Americans and it was working with the economy booming and unemployment at the lowest levels and then this pandemic hit at just the most convenient time to give the Democrats an in on the 2020 election. And it was manufactured in a Chinese lab, the team taking the biggest hit across the pond from America-first policies. And the Democrats love that team. They seem to align with China in many ways. It's pathetic. Hell Diane Feinstein was literally driven by China. And I'm sure she's not the only one. OH wait, those are "tin foil hat" conspiracies. Cover your eyes. Cover your ears. The Democrat party is pro-China and anti-America-First.
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It's obvious Trump used to be a Democrat. He's spending national money at record rates and using executive orders more than Obama. Everyone knows he used to be a Democrat. But he figured out he could hoodwink idiots like you and win. I almost feel sorry for you. The dude bankrupted 6 companies because he's awful at business and now he's ruining our country. And you keep drinking it up and holding his jock like a little lap dog. It would be really amusing at how blindly his followers will believe anything he says when he's caught in lie after lie if it wasn't so terrifying. If he screws up, all he has to do is yell "Fake News" and you fall back at his feet and worship... its right out of a South Park episode except it is real life. Messed up.

At least thethe is respectful... you're just another toddler.
 
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MrShwag said:
I call bull**** on the "life long Republican" claim. He called Rush Limbaugh a political charade 5 posts ago. This guy's no former Republican. LOL
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It may surprise you but I've been a Republican my whole life. Until summer of 2016. And yeah Limbaugh is a joke. But not as big a buffoon as very poorly chosen one.

Oh one more thing. I worked in NY in the 1990s and got to see the whole Marla Maples, casinos, airlines etc schtick. Once a buffoon always a buffoon. Except this is one buffoon who has not aged well.
 
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