The Coronavirus, not the beer

zbhargrove said:
No I understand you only choose to repeat only numbers you cherry pick from only doctors your cherry pick. Of course, you even fail to quote the number correctly from what she said. She didn't say the 25% number was hard and fast... she said "up to."

Fact of the matter is, she's also just pulling a number out of her ass because there's no way to have an accurate number at this time and its also ignoring deaths that have been missed. Carry on internet hero.

Even if the absurd 25% number is accurate... that would still be ~75,000 deaths... a far cry from the sub 12,000 you promised us... more wrong information from thethe, big surprise.
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Sub 12 was for NY but that's fine.

I didn't assume democratic leadership was as bad as it was. My bad.
 
http://timesofsweden.com/2020/05/16...fter-being-refused-oxygen-and-intensive-care/

This video is very disturbing. I put it up not to pick on Sweden but to make another point. People fear some forms of death more and are willing to pay a higher price to avoid those kinds of deaths. This is something to consider in weighing the costs and benefits of various policy measures. Some here have made the point that not all lives should be weighed equally. I don't disagree. But not all deaths are equally horrific. Suffocating to death would be one of the more horrific ones on any person's list. You get an idea of how much this is feared by people around the world from the data showing many quite sick people avoiding hospitals. They and their families are choosing to deal with a stroke or heart attack at home rather than go in for care. This is not necessarily irrational. It reflects a desire to avoid a certain kind of death.

With respect to weighing some lives more. I don't entirely disagree. But I want to push back against that some. When I coached my sons' baseball teams, I noticed that the parents of some kids never drove them to a practice or showed up at a game. Not once. Or only very rarely. It was usually an older relative--I assume a grandparent--who stepped in to fill the void. Those grandparents are GOLD. They made a difference in those children's lives that went well beyond allowing them to play Little League. Some of them were quite old and frail but they were there for their grandchildren.
 
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Absolutely abhorrent we didn't mass prescribe HCQ/Zpac/Zinc at the start of this pandemic.
 
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so did Aaron Gin "blatantly lie" in disseminating this incorrect information

did you "blatantly lie" in passing it forward

I don't think so. You both were careless. That's it.

But I do have higher expectations of the Times than I have of you or Aaron Ginn.

Their mistake notwithstanding, I thought their front page yesterday powerfully captured the loss of life that has happened in our country.
 
No. Ginn and I made a simple mistake.

The Times either intentionally put a name that wasnt true, or was so useless in their research that it should call into question the rest of their reporting.
 
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