The Coronavirus, not the beer

nsacpi said:
About what I expected. Fox runs a story yesterday and quotes something from March. This is not literally false. And part of the issue is the WHO not updating its guidance on this in months. But it is misleading to suggest that the WHO just came out with guidance saying this.

It is an interesting story only to the extent it illustrates bureaucratic inertia at the WHO. That is an important story, but not the story Fox is running about the guidance on masks.

So if someone wants to have a reasonable basis for criticizing the WHO there you have it. Bureaucratic inertia. A problem endemic to large unwieldly organizations. Not entirely excusable when we have an urgent need for laidership and timely guidance from the WHO.
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Have the CDC or the WHO been right or useful about anything?

Why do we trust these bloated government orgs?
 
I think picking dog poop and sorting recyclables were mentioned in another thread.

I mean its kind of annoying to do these things. Wearing a mask during a pandemic kind of falls under the consideration for others category similar to picking up after your dog. Anyone who has had young children will understand similar dynamics at work. You don't take them to an event where they will get distracted and ruin things for other people (you pay the price by hiring a babysitter). If you take them to a restaurant, you clean up after them or leave an extra large tip.
 
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thethe said:
Its so obvious it works based on actual results that it could be nothing other than big pharma influence and the insanity of the left with regards to anything trump.
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One of the authors of the veterans study received a $247,000 grant from Gilead in 2018. LOL! You can't make this **** up. Remdesivir, anyone?
 
I don’t think masks should be mandated by the government (private businesses should be able to mandate), but I do think it’s a common courtesy you should extend to your fellow man.
 
Garmel said:
One of the authors of the veterans study received a $247,000 grant from Gilead in 2018. LOL! You can't make this **** up. Remdesivir, anyone?
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Funny how Remdesivir was pumped the first chance and now you hear nothing. Meanwhile doctors around the world are prescribing HCQ with fantastic results.
 
chop2chip said:
I don’t think masks should be mandated by the government (private businesses should be able to mandate), but I do think it’s a common courtesy you should extend to your fellow man.
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New York executive order allows store owners to deny entry to people without masks.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/store-owners-face-mask-deny-entry-new-york-executive-order/

When asked if he expects any conflicts to arise due to the order, Cuomo said: "It's New York, you can have a conflict if you say 'good morning.'" He added that people "don't have the right" to expose a store owner to the virus.

The governor stressed that wearing a mask is a sign of respect to others, and is critical in protecting the vulnerable.

somehow this is controversial...I don't get it
 
Here's an article about masking in New England journal of medicine.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2006372?query=TOC

Check this part out...

"...We know that wearing a mask outside health care facilities offers little, if any, protection from infection. Public health authorities define a significant exposure to Covid-19 as face-to-face contact within 6 feet with a patient with symptomatic Covid-19 that is sustained for at least a few minutes (and some say more than 10 minutes or even 30 minutes). The chance of catching Covid-19 from a passing interaction in a public space is therefore minimal. In many cases, the desire for widespread masking is a reflexive reaction to anxiety over the pandemic...."
 
msstate7 said:
Here's an article about masking in New England journal of medicine.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2006372?query=TOC

Check this part out...

"...We know that wearing a mask outside health care facilities offers little, if any, protection from infection. Public health authorities define a significant exposure to Covid-19 as face-to-face contact within 6 feet with a patient with symptomatic Covid-19 that is sustained for at least a few minutes (and some say more than 10 minutes or even 30 minutes). The chance of catching Covid-19 from a passing interaction in a public space is therefore minimal. In many cases, the desire for widespread masking is a reflexive reaction to anxiety over the pandemic...."
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Party of science.

Its all about control.

Saying its out of respect for your fellow man is a punk move since it has little impact.

Sheep eat it up.
 
msstate7 said:
Here's an article about masking in New England journal of medicine.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2006372?query=TOC

Check this part out...

"...We know that wearing a mask outside health care facilities offers little, if any, protection from infection. Public health authorities define a significant exposure to Covid-19 as face-to-face contact within 6 feet with a patient with symptomatic Covid-19 that is sustained for at least a few minutes (and some say more than 10 minutes or even 30 minutes). The chance of catching Covid-19 from a passing interaction in a public space is therefore minimal. In many cases, the desire for widespread masking is a reflexive reaction to anxiety over the pandemic...."
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The bolded part is key. If you walk past someone on the street or a park, the risks are very low with or without a mask.

If you intubate someone with the coughing that usually is involved, a mask is very important.

There is a wide range of interactions that fall between the two and the research on asymptomatic spread via droplets and aerosols indicates that there is risk if you have a conversation with someone. Or if you are going to a setting where there lots of people milling around.

I also think there is a little bit of a fallacy of composition at work in some of the opposition to masks. The risks to each individual from each individual interaction are low. From that it doesn't follow that there is no social risk from the sum of all interactions.
 
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nsacpi said:
The bolded part is key. If you walk past someone on the street or a park, the risks are very low with or without a mask.

If you intubate someone with the coughing that usually is involved, a mask is very important.

There is a wide range of interactions that fall between the two and the research on asymptomatic spread via droplets and aerosols indicates that there is risk if you have a conversation with someone. Or if you are going to a setting where there lots of people milling around.

I also think there is a little bit of a fallacy of composition at work in some of the opposition to masks. The risks to each individual from each individual interaction are low. From that it doesn't follow that there is no social risk from the sum of all interactions.
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I would think the mask used to intubate is different than the cloth one with a braves' logo
 
Hey everyone there is 0 evidence this actually does anything but were gonna mandate you wear it to participate in society

Whatever happened to "my body my choice" people
 
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