Is Free Speech Under Attack in this Country?

thethe said:
All new type of expenses emerged when women had to work so the true net impact to the future of the family was at beat a push but more often than not a detriment.
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Not at all. This is a typical correlation/causation fallacy.
 
Dalyn said:
Not at all. This is a typical correlation/causation fallacy.
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Taking a child away from their mother during formative years is a new experiment that contradicts almost all of human history. To not expect negatives from this is strange.
 
thethe said:
Taking a child away from their mother during formative years is a new experiment that contradicts almost all of human history. To not expect negatives from this is strange.
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Dude...take a bit more than a cursory look at history. Dang. Also, plenty of parents manage to work and be there for their kids in every important way. If you want to argue that sort of logic, then you have to conclude that children have not had fathers pretty much throughout history. That's how unsound that argument is.
 
Dalyn said:
Dude...take a bit more than a cursory look at history. Dang. Also, plenty of parents manage to work and be there for their kids in every important way. If you want to argue that sort of logic, then you have to conclude that children have not had fathers pretty much throughout history. That's how unsound that argument is.
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A father does not equal a mother
 
thethe said:
A father does not equal a mother
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There's some truth to that. A lot more than the other things you've mentioned in this regard. It's just not true that working equals some aspect of neglect or abandonment. Throughout history, families (especially well off families) have had servants care for their children and wet nurses and all kinds of ****. This is not some drastically new social experiment in child neglect. A person does not need their mother to be around every second. Never have, never will. This is just some bull**** drummed up to attack women and equate a working mom with a bad mom to discourage behavior these people find wrong/distasteful.
 
Dalyn said:
There's some truth to that. A lot more than the other things you've mentioned in this regard. It's just not true that working equals some aspect of neglect or abandonment. Throughout history, families (especially well off families) have had servants care for their children and wet nurses and all kinds of ****. This is not some drastically new social experiment in child neglect. A person does not need their mother to be around every second. Never have, never will. This is just some bull**** drummed up to attack women and equate a working mom with a bad mom to discourage behavior these people find wrong/distasteful.
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I dont think a working mom is a bad mom. I've acknowledged the reasons they have to work.

My position is that in an ideal scenario where finances are not a factor then a child is better off being raised solely by their mother and not a collective.
 
thethe said:
I dont think a working mom is a bad mom. I've acknowledged the reasons they have to work.

My position is that in an ideal scenario where finances are not a factor then a child is better off being raised solely by their mother and not a collective.
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Okay. We were discussing poverty, in this case, and there are no such scenarios that exist in poverty. I'm also still not sure there is any evidence to support your "solely the mother" position on this one. Do you have some?
 
Dalyn said:
Many of these family members in question have not hesitated to turn their backs on the atheists, quiltbag, etc members of their families. And yet they expect every belief, idea, wild hair up their ass, to be respected as though it is the will of their god. It's bull****.
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Gay sons and daughters, and siblings in particular might have some interesting observations to share on this matter.

#familyvalues
 
nsacpi said:
Gay sons and daughters, and siblings in particular might have some interesting observations to share on this matter.

#familyvalues
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Yep. All the stuff the right is trying to demonize the left over are things they thought they'd cornered the market on.
 
Dalyn said:
Yep. All the stuff the right is trying to demonize the left over are things they thought they'd cornered the market on.
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I'm the product of being raised without a mother and quite frankly without a father as well.

Maybe I'm biased and jealous of my friends that had mothers at home to ask them how their day was or give them confidence to ask a girl out they liked but I think the two issues we were discussing can be discussed in isolation.
 
thethe said:
I'm the product of being raised without a mother and quite frankly without a father as well.

Maybe I'm biased and jealous of my friends that had mothers at home to ask them how their day was or give them confidence to ask a girl out they liked but I think the two issues we were discussing can be discussed in isolation.
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I feel you. I left home at 13. Some people really get a lucky draw. Some people don't.
 
Dalyn said:
There definitely needs to be a safety net. This lockdown is the first time I've seen most of these people even pretend to care about hungry and suicidal kids.
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I think we will see some upgrades to the safety net come out of this.
 
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