SJ24
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So you disagree with Hank Aaron and most of the greatest hitters ever than runs are not the most important stat?
This is the Braves best lineup since 2003.
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So you disagree with Hank Aaron and most of the greatest hitters ever than runs are not the most important stat?
SJ24
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"If you want to know if a statistic should be valued, see what it says about those players you know to be great"
Ted Williams led the AL in runs 6 times in a 10-year stretch. He did not even play in 3 of those 10 seasons due to military service.
Ted Williams is the greatest hitter in the history of the sport.
Henry Aaron had 105+ runs for 13 years in a row.
Ted Williams led the AL in runs 6 times in a 10-year stretch. He did not even play in 3 of those 10 seasons due to military service.
Ted Williams is the greatest hitter in the history of the sport.
Henry Aaron had 105+ runs for 13 years in a row.
Heyward
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That's a pretty deep lineup with good depth. Our 4-9 sure isnt our top 3 but thats a deep, deep lineup with solid depth/backups as well.
Heyward
<B>Voted Worst Poster <br>'13, '14, '15 (Co-Winner
Our lineup is probably worse than last year because, a top 4 of Acuna/Albies/FF/JD is just insane. However i still agree with AA that it's the right long-term move depending what he does with the extra cash in the long-term.
You could really argue though JD, Nick, Flowers/Mac or Ozuna, Puig, TDA/Flowers. TDA is a big upgrade to our hitting as well.
You could really argue though JD, Nick, Flowers/Mac or Ozuna, Puig, TDA/Flowers. TDA is a big upgrade to our hitting as well.
SJ24
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Sorry you can't debate without attacking the poster. Maybe you should have focused more in your debate class instead of thinking of ways to redistribute wealth.
your argument is so breathtakingly terrible, it's truly not worth it my guy.
get yourself a significant other or a hobby.
CyYoung31
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I love how you completely ignored me destroying your runs argument.
Just because someone is a great hitter, doesn’t mean they know how to evaluate players.
Please, don’t take any more L’s today. I’m getting embarrassed for you.
BeanieAntics
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Yes, we all disagree with them in the sense that runs scored is a stat that is descriptive of a player's talent, which is what you are arguing. Thinking that runs is the best descriptive stat we have is beyond moronic.
Assuming those people aren't morons, they likely mean that runs is the most important stat in the sense that scoring runs and preventing runs is the most important component of winning a game. That says exactly 0 about the process of scoring those runs or the talent of the player scoring the runs.
Like others here, I refuse to believe you're this stupid. Let's say two players both score 100 runs in a season. The first player got all 75 runs through a plethora of extra base hits, walks, and stolen bases. The other scored half of his runs by getting hit by pitches, reaching on errors, and lucky singles, but he just happened to hit in front of two monsters who hit a ton of home runs. By your logic, those two players are essentially of equal talent and value because "runs is the most important stat in baseball and a bunch of all time greats said so"
BeanieAntics
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So you are using the extreme ends of the curve to demonstrate the correlation between runs scored and talent? What about all those guys in the middle? How well does runs scored describe them?
Even doing it at the extremes is silly. I guess Craig Biggio was a superior offensive player to Ted Williams, since he scored 50 more runs than him. So was Derek Jeter, Eddie Collins, Pete Rose, and Carl Yastrzemski... Ted just can't compare with those guys.
Team runs are important.
But individual runs? Not so much in evaluating that player. Go back to school and learn some math. If your parents are making you stay home then I can show you some sites my kids are using.
jpx7
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This is not Big Feline energy, bro ...
jpx7
Very Flirtatious, but Doubts What Love Is.
Yes. Correct.
Yes, Trout, who gets on base at an elite level and also hits homers at an elite level, leads the league in runs scored. HUGE SHOCKER!!! Getting on base and hitting homers are likely the two most important aspects of scoring runs. That's why the people that do both of these things at an elite level, score lots of runs, because when they aren't driving themselves in with a homer, they are getting on base and creating an opportunity for someone else to knock them in.
Dude, you literally have zero clue. Puig and Ozuna do not get on base very much, especially compared to JD and Markakis, so there is significantly less opportunity for Puig and Ozuna to score runs. That is like the most basic math there is. Offensively both Ozuna and Puig are slight upgrades over 2019 Neck because of the increased power they offer, but all players are so far below JD's 2019, it's not even relevant. JD was legit MVP level in 2019. Neck, Ozuna, and Puig were slightly better than league average.
Now this isn't to say Puig and Ozuna don't have potential to kill it this year. Both had massive potential at different points in their careers and are still young enough to tap back into it. But basing your argument on 2019 numbers makes you look incredibly dumb.
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Dude probably thinks Jason Marquis was a great pitcher. LOOK AT ALL THOSE WINS!!!!!!
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Southcack77
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The biggest question on this roster seems to be whether you want to play Austin Riley vs LHP.
I think vs LHP it should be something like this:
wRC+ Last 3 (2019)
Acuna CF 145 (130)
Albies 2B 156 (180)
Freeman 1B 121 (92)
Ozuna DH 120 (92)
D'Arnaud C 113 (130)
Duvall cOF 97 (178)
Puig cOF 89 (105)
Camargo 3B 111 (73)
Swanson SS 75 (108)
If you believe in Riley vs LHP (135wRC+, but 41 2nd half) you might swap him in for Camargo or Puig.
I think vs LHP it should be something like this:
wRC+ Last 3 (2019)
Acuna CF 145 (130)
Albies 2B 156 (180)
Freeman 1B 121 (92)
Ozuna DH 120 (92)
D'Arnaud C 113 (130)
Duvall cOF 97 (178)
Puig cOF 89 (105)
Camargo 3B 111 (73)
Swanson SS 75 (108)
If you believe in Riley vs LHP (135wRC+, but 41 2nd half) you might swap him in for Camargo or Puig.
Southcack77
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I think one promising thing for Atlanta is that they had 4 players with high differentials on the bad luck side in xwOBA vs wOBA.
1. Ozuna .046
7. Swanson .031
30. D'Arnaud .02
43. Acuna .0197
They have no one on the roster that was particularly lucky in that regard, at least that had qualifying PA.
1. Ozuna .046
7. Swanson .031
30. D'Arnaud .02
43. Acuna .0197
They have no one on the roster that was particularly lucky in that regard, at least that had qualifying PA.
Outside of May Riley was ass against lefties.
With the season being 2 months there really isn't much you can do but hope for the best in a situation like this. I'm going to guess Riley takes the bulk of playing time at 1st while Freeman is out. If he shows in that span that he can hit lefties well then I'd make sure he's at 3rd whenever a lefty starts once Freeman is back. If not then I'd let Camargo just handle it fulltime.