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I'm not the biggest Puig fan out there but the Braves could make room for him. If Ender is going to suck this hard then you would put Neck/Duvall in left, Acuna in center, Puig in right and Ozuna at DH.
Neck and Duvall should really be platooning with each other at this point but can't due to injuries and **** play.
CyYoung31
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Good point.
If the discussion is about adding him because we're assuming Acuna's going to miss significant time, I'm not sure that would help matters much - you'd still have Ender in CF.
Not sure it doesn't make more sense to bring Pache up.
If Acuns is out awhile then it wouldn't matter. If he's not then I'd rather due this instead of starting Pache's clock.
zbhargrove
Well-known member
I'd rather replace Ender with Pache... I don't much care if we start his clock this year.
We've already secured the extra year of control, and pretty sure he's not going to qualify as a Super Two now that we've waited this long.
If the actual intent is to try to win, folks have to stop acting like the Braves are the Rays. If he's as good as we think he is, he'll be locked-up long before he reaches arbitration - IF he's interested in staying here.
Oh wait - there's NO WAY Ozzie and Acuna sign extensions, I'm sure Pache won't either.
Heyward
<B>Voted Worst Poster <br>'13, '14, '15 (Co-Winner
Given how depleted the lineup is right now, and how awful Ender is with the bat, i mean why the hell not? Or at least call up Pache, i think we're past the clock date/service time ordeal.
I don't see the issue with operating how the Rays do business.
Top shelf pitching right there
Heyward
<B>Voted Worst Poster <br>'13, '14, '15 (Co-Winner
Rays are probably the best ran team in the sport, but i agree with calling up Pache if it wont hurt his clock. If he's as good as it seems, i'm sure AA will do what it takes to sign him.
Has nothing to do with THE WAY they do business. You've already gamed his clock and have gained the extra control. You've actually probably prevented him from becoming Super-Two eligible as well. You've already saved a ton of money - and done things the Rays' way - by doing so. If you bring Ozuna back to hit behind Freddie, you can game Waters' clock at the start of next season and do the same by playing Ozuna in LF for a month and save even more.
Pache has been handled the way he should have been handled. The last three spots in the order are an absolute black hole, and it's going to start costing you games until Acuna and Ozzie get back and you figure out how to do something with the rotation. Putting Pache in CF tomorrow night would help a ton.
sturg33
I
Why give up a full year of control for 35 games in a season that very may be cancelled at some point
Southcack77
Well-known member
Because the Braves can make the playoffs and that's a reasonable use of club assets.
To be fair though, I don't particularly care one way or the other.
I'm not sure it's particularly going to matter when Pache's clock starts and you can kick this can down the road until August of next year if you want, but then why not late a little longer again?
Russ2dollas
10 yr, $185 million Extension
Ender is currently horrible
Do we all think pache will hit? I grant you it’s hard to hit worse than ender right now. I’m not sure pache hits well this young.
Do you start his clock if you don’t think he can be at least league average?
Do we all think pache will hit? I grant you it’s hard to hit worse than ender right now. I’m not sure pache hits well this young.
Do you start his clock if you don’t think he can be at least league average?
So you'd prefer to stop trying to win games?
The other 29 teams are operating as if they plan to play the rest of the schedule out, why shouldn't the Braves? You're losing a year of control of Freeman, Acuna, Ozzie, Fried, Soroka, etc. anyway. If you're worried about the rest of the season getting cancelled next week/three weeks from now/etc., you should have sent EVERY player with options left to the alternate camp and left them there. If you're going to tank, tank.
I think you’re confusing terms there on the Super 2 issue. Super 2 is beneficial for a player in that it allows them to reach arbitration faster than waiting the full 3 season. If we bring Pache up now, rather than waiting until the service time cut off date at the beginning of next season, we’d lose an entire year of arb control of him. At this point it’s better to leave him down and bring him up in May next season.
GeorgiaGirl
NL Rookie of the Year
I don't think Pache is going to light the world on fire, but with what Ender has put out there offensively and defensively, he'd just have to be average on offense and play his good defense to be an upgrade.
My guess is they're just waiting for Acuna to come back to bench Ender again, but then Duvall playing against both lefties and righties is pretty suspect.
So, your choices right now as long as Acuna is back soon are...
A. Start Pache's development and hope it doesn't go the way it has with Riley.
B. Play Duvall against both righties and lefties, which I really don't love at all.
C. Keep playing Ender and try to get his bat going.
Honestly, I prefer A. But it seems more likely we're going to go back to B when Acuna's back in the lineup. That's really not a loveable choice at all.
My guess is they're just waiting for Acuna to come back to bench Ender again, but then Duvall playing against both lefties and righties is pretty suspect.
So, your choices right now as long as Acuna is back soon are...
A. Start Pache's development and hope it doesn't go the way it has with Riley.
B. Play Duvall against both righties and lefties, which I really don't love at all.
C. Keep playing Ender and try to get his bat going.
Honestly, I prefer A. But it seems more likely we're going to go back to B when Acuna's back in the lineup. That's really not a loveable choice at all.
NYCBrave
Well-known member
Is it really a full year of control now? I thought since he passed the mark this year, there is no difference between calling him up now or opening day next year? Are people suggesting we wait until weeks/months into next year to gain even .more control?