The Debates of 2020

Jaw said:
Short term changes to policy? You're well enough informed to know that isn't the plan. A packed court, a gerrymandered Senate, and an uncapped House are the plan.

If you're for that, then I'm not sure why you ever hoped for anyone but Bernie.
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I'm in favor of DC statehood. Beyond that I'm not expecting the things you mentioned. We shall see.

From where I sit in the political spectrum, I'm happy having a conservative leaning judiciary at a time when the other branches of government are likely to be leaning the other way.

The things I want to see the next administration address:

1) Put in place a real, sustainable covid strategy, with emphasis on contingencies where things do NOT go according to plan (eg no effective vaccine)

2) Immigration reform. Doesn't have to be left or right in terms of details. But something consistent with our values. Bipartisan is better than just Dems supporting the final product.

3) Expand options for healthcare. My preference is a public option (which Biden campaigned on) rather than medicare for all.

4) Repeal very poorly chosen one's tax cuts for the rich. (Biden has specified that this means joint income over $400K). There is one element of very poorly chosen one's tax plan I like, which was eliminating the deduction for state and local taxes (SALT). I'm afraid that is going to be a casualty of Democratic control. It would be bad policy (and regressive) if they restored it.
 
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It seems to me that Cuomo is willing to bankrupt his state with the expectation that Biden and team will gladly bail them out.
 
sturg33 said:
It seems to me that Cuomo is willing to bankrupt his state with the expectation that Biden and team will gladly bail them out.
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seems like an astute move to me...from a policy perspective the federal government is the only game in town in terms of being able to ameliorate the economic damage from covid, including the damage to state and local government finances

if los federales do not step in, it effectively creates an incentive for the states to let the fire burn...i understand that this is not a bad thing from your ideological perspective, but cuomo and most of us in new york have a different perspective...so we play for time and wait for a friendlier white house and congress...it's a no brainer...there is no other option
 
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nsacpi said:
seems like an astute move to me...from a policy perspective the federal government is the only game in town in terms of being able to ameliorate the economic damage from covid, including the damage to state and local government finances

if los federales do not step in, it effectively creates an incentive for the states to let the fire burn...i understand that this is not a bad thing from your ideological perspective, but cuomo and most of us in new york have a different perspective...so we play for time and wait for a friendlier white house and congress...it's a no brainer...there is no other option
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Yes. Inflict mass economic pain on your own citizens.

Deny responsibility.

Ask the other states who chose not to inflict mass economic pain to bail you out.

Seems about right from the socialists.

(This doesn't even consider that NYs fiscal situation was very bad before covid)
 
sturg33 said:
Yes. Inflict mass economic pain on your own citizens.

Deny responsibility.

Ask the other states who chose not to inflict mass economic pain to bail you out.

Seems about right from the socialists.

(This doesn't even consider that NYs fiscal situation was very bad before covid)
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NY city was getting upgraded in terms of credit ratings ahead of covid. In 2019, Moody's upgraded NY City general obligation bonds to Aa1. I don't think NY state had any significant financial issues before covid. NJ has long-standing issues with underfunding pension liabilities. I think federal aid should NOT go toward bailing out those kinds of pre-existing financial issues.

Anyhow that's how the cookie crumbles in a federal system. Next time it will be Idaho or Kansas that needs help.
 
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nsacpi said:
NY city was getting upgraded in terms of credit ratings ahead of covid. I don't think NY state had any significant financial issues before covid. NJ has long-standing issues with underfunding pension liabilities. I think federal aid should NOT go toward bailing out those kinds of pre-existing financial issues.
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Why does Florida, who did not intentionally destroy their economy, have to bail out NY, who did and is about to do so again?
 
sturg33 said:
Why does Florida, who did not intentionally destroy their economy, have to bail out NY, who did and is about to do so again?
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I understand it is your ideological lense to see this as poor policy choices. I think it is more akin to being hit by a hurricane. Not to put too fine a point on it, an argument could be made that states in hurricane or earthquake prone areas should not be allowing people to build homes in vulnerable areas and that it is a policy choice they make to put themselves in harms way. But that hasn't been a winning argument for some reason when the time has come for disaster relief. Maybe Ted Cruz will take up the cudgel next time Houston gets inundated.
 
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But the reason I brought it up was I was wondering if you are OK with Cuomo intentionally inflicting pain on its own citizens.

Since you were very upset about potential future immigrants who are not yet citizens
 
Trump just one-upped Cuomo by saying no stimulus bill until "AFTER I WIN" the election.

Between the debate, him getting COVID, and this, it's like he wants to lose.
 
NY killed the most people and the most jobs and now they want the rest of us to bail out their failure
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lol

you keep bailing out ****ty ass red states for years upon years

you'll be ok doing this once to help the hardest hit area in this country

you obviously anti american ****ing fraud
 
Lol

I love that you believe that


I’m more angry about the braves game/marlins hitting Acuña right now than reading and responding to your dumb ****ing ass lol
 
The Chosen One said:
Trump just one-upped Cuomo by saying no stimulus bill until "AFTER I WIN" the election.

Between the debate, him getting COVID, and this, it's like he wants to lose.
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GOP made a very consequential choice in 2016

and must be duly punished for it

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wondering what's gonna happen when he comes off the high from the roids
 
nsacpi said:
GOP made a very consequential choice in 2016

and must be duly punished for it

#1932

wondering what's gonna happen when he comes off the high from the roids
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The GOP offered $1.6T and Nancy has decided to play politics, inflicting additional pain on her citizens in order to hurt Orange Man.

There is no reason for her to reject that deal.

You get that, right?
 
sturg33 said:
The GOP offered $1.6T and Nancy has decided to play politics, inflicting additional pain on her citizens in order to hurt Orange Man.

There is no reason for her to reject that deal.

You get that, right?
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Actually, I agree. I think it would be a good move to pass the $1.6 trillion bill. See what happens.
 
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