The Coronavirus, not the beer
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goldfly
<B>if my thought dreams could be seen</B>
pfft
no chance
that question is so wide open it be nearly impossible to get a no
and yet, we still have 10-20% that said no lol
cajunrevenge
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I have ADHD I need a little crazy mixed into my news to keep me interested. I dont require a news station to conform to my beliefs or worldview to watch. Used to really enjoy watching Alex Jones. I like to watch all kinds of "alt news" Trump groups too.
cajunrevenge
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They are blue states. Take out all the Red states and we are doing pretty good.
sturg33
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cajunrevenge
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I am tired of googling for you, provide me a chart good sir
sturg33
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I have many times in this thread.
The strictest states have had the worst outcomes, both in terms of health and economic outcomes.
Its sad but not unexpected and certainly preventable if we followed the science
cajunrevenge
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Whose science? The Doctors Trump retweets like Dr. Alien Sperm? I'll take the guy who has served since the 80's dealing with **** like this who Presidents on both sides have praised for his work.
cajunrevenge
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msstate7
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Top 10 states (including DC as a state) in deaths per million:
1. NJ
2. NY
3. MA
4. CT
5. LA
6. RI
7. MS
8. DC
9. AZ
10. IL
What's that, 2 Republican governors/mayor?
NJ and NY still have a huge lead in this.
msstate7
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Tapate50
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Wait from what I’ve been told it’s rednecks and chuckleheads being the problem? Or basically just people who vote republican.
How is this top ten possible?
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
Using excess mortality, top 10 in deaths per capita looks like this:
1. NY
2. NJ
3. LA
4. MS
5. CT
6. AZ
7. SC
8. MA
9. PA
10. FL
Off recent trends, it appears either Louisiana or Mississippi will end up in the #1 spot within the next four or five months.
California doesn't get mentioned much. But they have had the best results by far of any of the large states in terms of excess deaths per capita.
1. NY
2. NJ
3. LA
4. MS
5. CT
6. AZ
7. SC
8. MA
9. PA
10. FL
Off recent trends, it appears either Louisiana or Mississippi will end up in the #1 spot within the next four or five months.
California doesn't get mentioned much. But they have had the best results by far of any of the large states in terms of excess deaths per capita.
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acesfull86
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https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2020/08/cheap-daily-covid-tests-could-be-akin-to-vaccine/
A Harvard epidemiologist and expert in disease testing is calling for a shift in strategy toward a cheap, daily, do-it-yourself test that he says can be as effective as a vaccine at interrupting coronavirus transmission — and is currently the only viable option for a quick return to an approximation of normal life.
As the pandemic’s health, economic, and educational toll mounts, Mina, a member of the Harvard Chan School’s Center for Communicable Disease Dynamics, said the paper-strip tests have already been developed and their shotgun approach to testing — cheap and widespread — provides a way back to the workplace, classroom, and other venues.
The strategy, if adopted and backed by the federal government, could put hundreds of millions of tests in the hands of consumers within weeks, at a cost far less than repeated rounds of economic stimulus, Mina said. The tests, which can be produced for less than a dollar, can be performed by consumers each day or every other day. Though not as accurate as current diagnostic tests, they are nonetheless effective at detecting virus when a person is most infectious, Mina said. If everyone who tests positive stays home, he said, the widespread effect would be similar to that of a vaccine, breaking transmission chains across the country.
Several hurdles stand in the way for widespread dissemination of the tests, Mina said. Perhaps the largest hurdle is regulatory. The Food and Drug Administration, in charge of approving diagnostic tests, has held up approval because the tests aren’t as accurate as nasal-swab, lab-based tests. While that would matter if they were intended as an individual diagnostic tool, Mina said that from a public health viewpoint, they are accurate enough to provide critical initial screening on a large scale. Positive test results could be followed up by a visit to the doctor and a more accurate nasal swab test or, if illness weren’t that severe, by daily testing until a person is negative.
“Everyone says, ‘Why aren’t you doing this already?’ My answer is, ‘It is illegal to do this right now,’” Mina said. “Until the regulatory landscape changes, those companies have no reason to bring a product to market.”
Mina said he’s concerned that approval will be contingent on making the tests closer to the accuracy of PCR (polymerase chain reaction) tests, which will likely add enough cost to short-circuit their widespread use, and their usefulness as a vehicle to interrupt the course of the pandemic.
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This was published over 10 weeks ago. I don’t follow the COVID news as closely as most here, but in the last 10 weeks I’ve seen a lot about spikes in cases all over the country, rollbacks of openings of our economies and schools, increases in lockdown measures, and nothing about clearing FDA regulatory hurdles to offer us a potential solution that is dramatically cheaper.
A Harvard epidemiologist and expert in disease testing is calling for a shift in strategy toward a cheap, daily, do-it-yourself test that he says can be as effective as a vaccine at interrupting coronavirus transmission — and is currently the only viable option for a quick return to an approximation of normal life.
As the pandemic’s health, economic, and educational toll mounts, Mina, a member of the Harvard Chan School’s Center for Communicable Disease Dynamics, said the paper-strip tests have already been developed and their shotgun approach to testing — cheap and widespread — provides a way back to the workplace, classroom, and other venues.
The strategy, if adopted and backed by the federal government, could put hundreds of millions of tests in the hands of consumers within weeks, at a cost far less than repeated rounds of economic stimulus, Mina said. The tests, which can be produced for less than a dollar, can be performed by consumers each day or every other day. Though not as accurate as current diagnostic tests, they are nonetheless effective at detecting virus when a person is most infectious, Mina said. If everyone who tests positive stays home, he said, the widespread effect would be similar to that of a vaccine, breaking transmission chains across the country.
Several hurdles stand in the way for widespread dissemination of the tests, Mina said. Perhaps the largest hurdle is regulatory. The Food and Drug Administration, in charge of approving diagnostic tests, has held up approval because the tests aren’t as accurate as nasal-swab, lab-based tests. While that would matter if they were intended as an individual diagnostic tool, Mina said that from a public health viewpoint, they are accurate enough to provide critical initial screening on a large scale. Positive test results could be followed up by a visit to the doctor and a more accurate nasal swab test or, if illness weren’t that severe, by daily testing until a person is negative.
“Everyone says, ‘Why aren’t you doing this already?’ My answer is, ‘It is illegal to do this right now,’” Mina said. “Until the regulatory landscape changes, those companies have no reason to bring a product to market.”
Mina said he’s concerned that approval will be contingent on making the tests closer to the accuracy of PCR (polymerase chain reaction) tests, which will likely add enough cost to short-circuit their widespread use, and their usefulness as a vehicle to interrupt the course of the pandemic.
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This was published over 10 weeks ago. I don’t follow the COVID news as closely as most here, but in the last 10 weeks I’ve seen a lot about spikes in cases all over the country, rollbacks of openings of our economies and schools, increases in lockdown measures, and nothing about clearing FDA regulatory hurdles to offer us a potential solution that is dramatically cheaper.
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
State employment data came out this morning. States that took some extra time to bring down rates of infection saw the largest declines in unemployment in September compared to August.
Largest declines in unemployment rate from August to September:
New Jersey down 4.4%!
New York down 2.8%
Rhode Island down 2.4%
Pennsylvania down 2.3%
States showing an increase in the unemployment rate in September:
Hawaii up 2.1% (still not open for tourism)
Idaho up 1.9%
Texas up 1.5%
Alabama up 1.0%
Utah up 0.9%
Arizona up 0.8%
It will be interesting to see how it plays out. The states like New York and New Jersey that waited longer to reopen still have some of the largest increases in unemployment from a year ago. But the data for September compared to August are a good sign of progress, which hopefully they can build on in the next few months, especially if they continue to hold down rates of infection.
Largest declines in unemployment rate from August to September:
New Jersey down 4.4%!
New York down 2.8%
Rhode Island down 2.4%
Pennsylvania down 2.3%
States showing an increase in the unemployment rate in September:
Hawaii up 2.1% (still not open for tourism)
Idaho up 1.9%
Texas up 1.5%
Alabama up 1.0%
Utah up 0.9%
Arizona up 0.8%
It will be interesting to see how it plays out. The states like New York and New Jersey that waited longer to reopen still have some of the largest increases in unemployment from a year ago. But the data for September compared to August are a good sign of progress, which hopefully they can build on in the next few months, especially if they continue to hold down rates of infection.
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msstate7
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UK finally tops 20k in cases with 21,331. 241 deaths reported there today is most since June 2nd.
Italy tops 10k again today. Not looking good there. Deaths creeping up, but still pretty low overall.
Russia continues to raise their record case day daily.
There is some good news... Israel has really turned things around after being on the verge of being ravaged.
Italy tops 10k again today. Not looking good there. Deaths creeping up, but still pretty low overall.
Russia continues to raise their record case day daily.
There is some good news... Israel has really turned things around after being on the verge of being ravaged.
msstate7
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Feels good to not see Mississippi listed at all in your commentary. Out of sight is usually a good thing for us