The SCOTUS Nomination and Confirmation Thread

Amy Coney Barrett's first decision as a justice wasn't in a case; it was a decision to participate in a prime-time political spectacle at the White House, eight days before Election Day.
Her decision was the wrong one.
 
Yeah the next stimulus bill is squarely on Pelosi imo. Mitch said he would put to a vote any bill she and Mnuchin agreeded on but thats clearly not happening. She refuses to budge on anything.
 
thewupk said:
Yeah the next stimulus bill is squarely on Pelosi imo. Mitch said he would put to a vote any bill she and Mnuchin agreeded on but thats clearly not happening. She refuses to budge on anything.
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I haven't been folllowing
why ?

The White House has increased its stimulus proposal from roughly $1 trillion to nearly $1.9 trillion in the last month, closer to the $2.4 trillion bill passed by House Democrats. The major sticking points continue to be Democratic demands for nearly $500 billion in aid to cash-strapped state and local governments, and a Republican drive to protect companies from lawsuits related to the pandemic.

Pelosi has hinted at a compromise on liability whereby companies following strong government Covid recommendations could claim compliance as a defense in civil lawsuits by employees. And Meadows has suggested the differences on state and local aid could be resolved by directly earmarking funds for transportation or private-sector job creation.

This Bloomberg article:

https://news.bloombergtax.com/daily...chin-virus-offer-today-as-hope-for-vote-fades
 
here ya go.
All of you celebrating your "voctory" bear in mind with whom you made the bargain



Jeff Paul
@Jeff_Paul
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Thousands of people left out in the cold and stranded in #Omaha,

#Nebraska after a #Trump rally. I’m told the shuttles aren’t operating & there

aren’t enough busses.

Police didn’t seem to know what to do. Some walked.

I saw at least one woman getting medical attention.

Kevin M. Levin
@KevinLevin
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2h
This is how Trump has treated people over
the course of his entire professional career.
 
By Zoë Richards
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October 28, 2020 8:09 a.m.
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Many Trump supporters, including a number of elderly fans, were stranded in the cold on Tuesday night for hours after attending a rally for President Donald Trump at an airport in Omaha, Nebraska.

Hours after President Trump took off on Air Force One, local police were rushing in to help the most vulnerable in the crowd get warm amid the icy temperature as they waited for a return bus to reach their cars, the Washington Post reported.

At least seven people were taken to hospitals, according to Omaha Scanner. Police did not provide reporters on the scene with an exact count of how many needed treatment, the Post said.

Aaron Sanderford, an Omaha World-Herald reporter tweeted that the Trump campaign said it had provided enough buses but that the flow of traffic was delayed on the small, two-lane airport access road since it was limited to one direction that was more than three miles away from the parking lot where many supporters had left their cars.

While the President departed on Air Force One around 9 p.m., by the Post’s account, it was nearly 10:30 p.m., when many were still waiting in the freezing cold to board buses back to their cars.

Per Omaha Scanner, officers began reporting a number of cases of elderly people at-risk in the cold.

“President Trump took off in Air Force One 1 hr 20 minutes ago, but thousands of his supporters remain stranded on a dark road outside the rally,” CNN’s Jeff Zeleny tweeted, noting that he also overheard a police officer saying at one point that another 30 buses were needed.

Soon, Police began shuttling some people to their cars to get them out of the elements.

It wasn’t until after midnight — more than three-and-a-half hours after Trump departed that the rally site was fully cleared of freezing fans according to an account of the events in tweets by Sanderford.

During his speech, Trump repeated an apparent favorite false statement on the coronavirus pandemic, saying that “we’re making that final turn” on COVID-19 and that “normal life will fully resume.”

The comments came as COVID-19 cases have spiked in Nebraska with the state averaging more than 800 new cases daily for nine consecutive days, the World-Herald noted.

Though the campaign checked temperatures and offered masks, few were actually worn, the World-Herald reported.
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Kevin M. Levin
@KevinLevin
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2h
This is how Trump has treated people over
the course of his entire professional career.
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One poster characterized the support for the conformation of Justice Barrett as a "deal with the devil"
We aren't even a week in
 
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zbhargrove said:
Kavanaugh literally just opined that a late mail in result change in the election may indicate massive fraud
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Not true. I read his concurrence. The Federal district court had extended the deadline for mail in ballots in Wisconsin by 6 days due to COVID. The circuit court stayed that ruling. The SCOTUS was asked to stay the circuit court's ruling and let the order of the district court stand.

Kavanaugh explained that the Wisconsin legislature had set the deadline for mail in ballots as election day. He explained the legislature had many valid reasons this could be done. One was the desire to have the election concluded on election day, another the desire to avoid the appearance of fraud that a large number of mail-in ballots arriving after election day and changing the result could cause. Essentially he was saying there's a rational basis for setting a deadline of election day and so the courts shouldn't change that.

This was about Kavanaugh deferring to the States in controlling elections.
 
I have a good friend that is higher up in the local (D) party. We ran in to each other voting during primary season. He asked what I thought would happen. I replied I didn't know but hoped it came out right.
He assumed and I think he even said that depended on my candidate winning.
Which was not what I meant at all.
What I did mean was
the process was respected and the long story short was
Well, my candidate didn't win but from ALL appearances it came out right.

Along the lines of the Astros winning the WS by banging trash cans
Do you view them as World Champions that year?

Justice Barrett has in her power the avenue to shut up all of the detractors of the process that gave her her seat on the bench
We will see.
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Side note, I cheered for the Astros that year
and recently watched both On the Waterfront and Raging Bull.

Let's hope she turns out to be a Earl Warren.
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By the way, did we ever learn the details of Justice Kennedy's who saw that coming retirement ?
 
striker42 said:
Not true. I read his concurrence. The Federal district court had extended the deadline for mail in ballots in Wisconsin by 6 days due to COVID. The circuit court stayed that ruling. The SCOTUS was asked to stay the circuit court's ruling and let the order of the district court stand.

Kavanaugh explained that the Wisconsin legislature had set the deadline for mail in ballots as election day. He explained the legislature had many valid reasons this could be done. One was the desire to have the election concluded on election day, another the desire to avoid the appearance of fraud that a large number of mail-in ballots arriving after election day and changing the result could cause. Essentially he was saying there's a rational basis for setting a deadline of election day and so the courts shouldn't change that.

This was about Kavanaugh deferring to the States in controlling elections.
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Kavanaugh deferring to another Trump appointee ?
 
striker42 said:
Not true. I read his concurrence. The Federal district court had extended the deadline for mail in ballots in Wisconsin by 6 days due to COVID. The circuit court stayed that ruling. The SCOTUS was asked to stay the circuit court's ruling and let the order of the district court stand.

Kavanaugh explained that the Wisconsin legislature had set the deadline for mail in ballots as election day. He explained the legislature had many valid reasons this could be done. One was the desire to have the election concluded on election day, another the desire to avoid the appearance of fraud that a large number of mail-in ballots arriving after election day and changing the result could cause. Essentially he was saying there's a rational basis for setting a deadline of election day and so the courts shouldn't change that.

This was about Kavanaugh deferring to the States in controlling elections.
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Sorry, this direct quote is concerning IMO... you're more of a law expert than me surely, but I don't think this sort of language is acceptable from a justice when the current president is already trying to undermine any results coming from mail in ballots:

"If the apparent winner the morning after the election ends up losing due to late-arriving ballots, charges of a rigged election could explode."
 
zbhargrove said:
Sorry, this direct quote is concerning IMO... you're more of a law expert than me surely, but I don't think this sort of language is acceptable from a justice when the current president is already trying to undermine any results coming from mail in ballots:

"If the apparent winner the morning after the election ends up losing due to late-arriving ballots, charges of a rigged election could explode."
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Here's the context:

"Those States want to avoid the chaos and suspicions of impropriety that can ensue if thousands of absentee ballots flow in after election day and potentially flip the results of an election. And those States also want to be able to definitively announce the results of the election on election night, or as soon as possible thereafter. Moreover, particularly in a Presidential election, counting all the votes quickly can help the State promptly resolve any disputes, address any need for recounts, and begin the process of canvassing and certifying the election results in an expeditious manner. See 3 U. S. C. §5. The States are aware of the risks described by Professor Pildes: “[L]ate-arriving ballots open up one of the greatest risks of what might, in our era of hyperpolarized political parties and existential politics, destabilize the election result. If the apparent winner the morning after the election ends up losing due to late-arriving ballots, charges of a rigged election could explode.” Pildes, How to Accommodate a Massive Surge in Absentee Voting, U. Chi. L. Rev. Online (June 26, 2020) (online source archived at www.supremecourt.gov). The “longer after Election Day any significant changes in vote totals take place, the greater the risk that the losing side will cry that the election has been stolen.” Ibid.

One may disagree with a State’s policy choice to require that absentee ballots be received by election day. Indeed, some States require only that absentee ballots be mailed by election day. See, e.g., W. Va. Code Ann. §3–3–5(g)(2) (Lexis 2020). But the States requiring that absentee ballots be received by election day do so for weighty reasons that warrant judicial respect. Federal courts have no business disregarding those state interests simply because the federal courts believe that later deadlines would be better. That constitutional analysis of election deadlines still applies in the pandemic."

Kavanaugh was explaining the potential reasons a legislature might set their mail-in ballot deadline as election day and said it's not the job of the courts to second guess legislatures.

I don't think this signals Kavanaugh siding with a finding of election fraud in some hypothetical future case. It much more signals that Kavanaugh will want to apply state election statutes as written.
 
sturg33 said:
I remember hearing how Gorsouvh and Kavanaugh were going to be disasters to the court.

Havent heard much about them since
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And you try to talk about other people being in a bubble lol

This happened yesterday lol:

“Brett Kavanaugh’s concurring opinion in the Wisconsin elections case has set off alarm among civil rights lawyers, who say it gives public support to President Trump’s unfounded claims that results counted after Election Day could be riddled with fraud.”
 
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I said at the time that I thought the Democrats were foolish for fighting Kavanaugh as hard as they did. Of all the people Trump could have legitimately picked I think Kavanaugh was a best case scenario for the left. Trump was going to get a nominee through and Kavanaugh was the most moderate name on Trump's list.
 
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