No discussion on the theater shooting?

yeezus said:
If sturg had the ability or desire to read through the lines, he'd see that his question has essentially been answered. What I'm trying to explain, along with jpx, is that simple example he poses is completely devoid of context, while the issue we're discussing isn't, so what's the point in the question? It's useless, and while he feels he proves a point by him asking and us answering, he truly does not. Instead of addressing jpx's POINTS (not useless questions), he all he says is "answer the question!"

A mass shooting at a gun show and a mass shooting in a movie theater are not the same things. I don't know, AGAIN, exactly how that comparison or suggestion is useful. It taking one circumstance and comparing it to a completely different circumstance. It seems like simple-mindedness.
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But see, you didn't answer the question. And you still won't. And it's such an easy question to answer.

The reason it was asked is because we're having the argument that if you were in a classroom (tech) or a theater (colorado), and a nutcase came in guns a blazing, you guys are saying you wouldn't want someone in class with a gun.

I'm asking you the same type of question. And the answer is so obvious. Yet you won't answer. Because it completely contradicts your stance on the classroom or theater scenario.

Perhaps us crazy gun lovers feel that the threat of being shot is enough to deter a nutcase from killing. Perhaps not. But if it were guns that were the issue, then why haven't we seen a single case of gun violence at a gun show? That is a place where literally everyone is walking around with guns and access to more guns. You'd think, by now, we'd have seen one violent act. But we haven't. Why? Because as soon as a hypothetical shot is fired, that person is dead.
 
sturg33 said:
Why do you think gun violence is highest in cities that have banned guns?
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Like Chicago, the thugs are importing them from outside. Let's make it a severe penalty to anyone associated with importing those banned weapons to deter them from even thinking about trying it.

Let's not ask normal people to arm themselves with guns everywhere they go, because that is a recipe for disaster in a public place like a subway or shopping market or even sports venue.
 
sturg33 said:
But see, you didn't answer the question. And you still won't. And it's such an easy question to answer.

The reason it was asked is because we're having the argument that if you were in a classroom (tech) or a theater (colorado), and a nutcase came in guns a blazing, you guys are saying you wouldn't want someone in class with a gun.

I'm asking you the same type of question. And the answer is so obvious. Yet you won't answer. Because it completely contradicts your stance on the classroom or theater scenario.

Perhaps us crazy gun lovers feel that the threat of being shot is enough to deter a nutcase from killing. Perhaps not. But if it were guns that were the issue, then why haven't we seen a single case of gun violence at a gun show? That is a place where literally everyone is walking around with guns and access to more guns. You'd think, by now, we'd have seen one violent act. But we haven't. Why? Because as soon as a hypothetical shot is fired, that person is dead.
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Perhaps the reason someone doesn't go guns a blazing in a gun show is because everyone is carrying. You shoot one person, then all the gun enthusiasts will shoot back. It's completely different than a psychopath going into a school where he KNOWS there are innocents who aren't carrying (and why would they) and going out shooting.

The fact you are making the argument that public places should be like a semi gun show with everyone carrying is ludicrous.
 
KeithLockhart said:
Like Chicago, the thugs are importing them from outside. Let's make it a severe penalty to anyone associated with importing those banned weapons to deter them from even thinking about trying it.

Let's not ask normal people to arm themselves with guns everywhere they go, because that is a recipe for disaster in a public place like a subway or shopping market or even sports venue.
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I look at it from a different angle. The thugs get the guns illegally (this will NEVER change). And they happen to know that there is absolutely no resistance to them when they want to cause trouble. Bring a gun to a knife fight and you will likely win.
 
KeithLockhart said:
Perhaps the reason someone doesn't go guns a blazing in a gun show is because everyone is carrying. You shoot one person, then all the gun enthusiasts will shoot back. It's completely different than a psychopath going into a school where he KNOWS there are innocents who aren't carrying (and why would they) and going out shooting.

The fact you are making the argument that public places should be like a semi gun show with everyone carrying is ludicrous.
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You're making my point for me, and I appreciate that.

But I thought if everyone had guns, arguments would start and people would get shot??
 
I love the simple-mindedness of some of your views.

Let's have a total free market with no checks from the government, and watch everyone in the country prosper.

Let's have no regulations, because we should trust businesses to make the right moves for their own capital.

Let's have no gun regulations, so everyone can carry and we'll be a safer place with less crime (hahahah).

Let's leave *** marriage up to the states, because they'll make the right decision (lol @ anyone living in the Southeast).
 
sturg33 said:
You're making my point for me, and I appreciate that.

But I thought if everyone had guns, arguments would start and people would get shot??
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The people who go to gun shows respect guns for what they are. We're all Braves fans, so we come to a Braves forum to discuss the Atlanta Braves. We're not going to knock each other on the head and attack each other (unless you're Gilesfan).

The people who go to gun shows are either enthusiasts/hobby guys or curious interested minded people. Your average person doesn't know a quarter of what someone that goes toa gunshow probably knows and the society I want to live in I'm OK with that because that's what I'd want in a perfect society.

A person going up into a gunshow and shooting up is the same thing as a Mets fan coming into our board and ambushing us. It's stupid and pointless.
 
sturg33 said:
I look at it from a different angle. The thugs get the guns illegally (this will NEVER change). And they happen to know that there is absolutely no resistance to them when they want to cause trouble. Bring a gun to a knife fight and you will likely win.
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So let's aim at minimizing thugs and ridding of them, not increasing gun circulation in hopes it will deter thugs who are ruthless and wreckless anyways.

I'd imagine if 3 thugs came out you with a gun each, and you showed them yours, that 1 to 3 doesn't look too pretty. You're just as useless as not having a gun in that instance unless you're a Clerk from Equilibrium and can dodge all those bullets.

Thugs are wreckless, they'll shoot at you even if they feel the slightest intimidation from you.
 
Sav, do you admit that the bad guys obtain guns illegally and whether there were strict gun laws or not, they'd still have them?
 
Krgrecw said:
Sav, do you admit that the bad guys obtain guns illegally and whether there were strict gun laws or not, they'd still have them?
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So let's aim our resources at minimizing the thug threat, instead of encouraging people to buy guns. If people want to buy guns on their own accord then I'm fine with that, but to strike up and hype up a threat to make people go out and get one is purely what the NRA and their manufacturers want. Just look at how Beck and Limbaugh helped skyrocket gun sales in Obama's Presidency. All they had to do was say he wants to take all your guns and confiscate them (even before Newtown) for people to think "Ole Blacky is going to try and put down the white man, need to stick to our guns!" and went out and bought more guns. We've had record gun sales under Obama, without any gun regulation laws passed.

It's only natural that the biggest cities would also have the most gun violence since you have more people interacting with more people which will increase the probability of an altercation occurring.

That's almost as dumb of a point as Romney won more square mileage in the election than Obama.
 
Going to see this movie tomorrow. When you guys decide whether it is safer to take my .357 or not, please let me know.
 
KeithLockhart said:
So let's aim our resources at minimizing the thug threat, instead of encouraging people to buy guns. If people want to buy guns on their own accord then I'm fine with that, but to strike up and hype up a threat to make people go out and get one is purely what the NRA and their manufacturers want. Just look at how Beck and Limbaugh helped skyrocket gun sales in Obama's Presidency. All they had to do was say he wants to take all your guns and confiscate them (even before Newtown) for people to think "Ole Blacky is going to try and put down the white man, need to stick to our guns!" and went out and bought more guns. We've had record gun sales under Obama, without any gun regulation laws passed.

It's only natural that the biggest cities would also have the most gun violence since you have more people interacting with more people which will increase the probability of an altercation occurring.

That's almost as dumb of a point as Romney won more square mileage in the election than Obama.
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I think there's a different reason why some big cities have higher crime rates than others. Nothing to do with the amount of people.

The only way you can diminish the thug threat is to hold the thugs accountable but people don't want to do that.
 
Personally I think it's rude when people don't bring guns with suppressors on them. If your'e going to shoot someone, at least use a suppressor so you don't disturb other people trying to watch the movie.

Never ceases to amaze me how selfish some people are.
 
Hawk said:
Snub nose?
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Yeah.

About the size of this one -
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Krgrecw said:
I think there's a different reason why some big cities have higher crime rates than others. Nothing to do with the amount of people.
The only way you can diminish the thug threat is to hold the thugs accountable but people don't want to do that.
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WHat are you even talking about? I feel like you read **** on some uber conservative "news" site and assume it's the word of god. I'd be willing to bet there's more "thugs" who went to jail. Take the drugs from them, that's the best method.
 
Dalyn said:
Going to see this movie tomorrow. When you guys decide whether it is safer to take my .357 or not, please let me know.
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If you are seeing Frozen, an emphatic "No!"

If you are seeing August: Osage County, a "Maybe" because you might want to shoot Meryl Streep's character.

If you are seeing Lone Survivor, "Probably" because you don't want to end up the Lone Survivor.

If you are seeing Last Vegas, "Yes" because you may want to shoot yourself about halfway through.
 
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