So basically they are saving quite a bit of money during his peak years before he gets really expensive around age 30.
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So basically they are saving quite a bit of money during his peak years before he gets really expensive around age 30.
it was/is fair to question the Smyly deal. i think as others have mentioned, the SP deals that cam in after show it to be not as much of an overpay as initially thought. i mean, Taijuan Walker for 2 years at $10M per? big no thanks.
SP in general tho was a huge need, and if Smyly made AA sign Kipnis instead of Asdrubal Cabrera...then i'll live.
SP in general tho was a huge need, and if Smyly made AA sign Kipnis instead of Asdrubal Cabrera...then i'll live.
so they'll be paying him big money until he's 34-35? that's really not bad for them. better to sign a 21 year old for 14 years than a 26 year old. i kinda think this was smart by SD.
ixiXSolidXixi
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I think Smyly is more like insurance! Long season with covid. You will need good pitchers to win all year.
The idea with guys like Morton and Smyly is probably to nurse them through the regular season, and then hope they both dominate a few games in October. A single 6 inning shutout performance in the NLCS is worth more than a month's worth of regular season starts, so expect to see both guys handled with kid gloves all season.
For a team that's very likely to make the postseason, this seems like a pretty good strategy.
For a team that's very likely to make the postseason, this seems like a pretty good strategy.
The first 8 years are a pretty typical extension for a young star player, except the years they pay him $25M are usually options covering early FA seasons in exchange for the team guaranteeing arbitration salaries. Teams typically guarantee arb salaries to give the player stability in life in exchange for a potential discount on 1-3 early FA seasons.
Not only did SD guarantee him those years that are typically options, they went ahead and tacked on another guaranteed 6/216 deal on the backend. It's like he signed a typical young star extension AND his first FA contract before he even reached arbitration. SD assumed all that risk in order to bask in the headlines because that's what Preller does.
Perhaps this will work out for SD, but there's a reason teams typically create these extensions the way they do. SD has assumed massive risk in this deal.
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And Preller doesnt even have to care. There's a decent chance he will be long gone by the end of that contract.
That (and Paxton's *hitty numbers last season as mentioned above) are the explanation in a nutshell.
AA wanted the rotation set early AND he wanted someone on one year deals. Getting someone to sign before the market is clear costs you a premium. Getting someone to take a one year deal before teams begin to get really desperate when all the SPs are coming off the board costs you an additional premium.
AA paid a million bucks to get Smyly to sign before everyone else started signing and a million bucks to get him to take a one year deal rather than sniffing around for two year deals. If that makes him a $9 million Pitcher, it means he got $1 million more than Wainright, Happ, Quintana, and Ray, and $500K more than Paxton - it's pretty easy to imagine they valued him that much higher than all those guys.
The Yankees gave Kluber the same amount and the Red Sox gave Garrett Richards $10 million, and the Royals gave Minor TWO years while the Mutts did the same with Walker - Smyly pretty much got exactly what he should have to sign when he did.
Fowler's a guy that might be worth taking a look at...
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021/02/athletics-designate-dustin-fowler-for-assignment.html
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021/02/athletics-designate-dustin-fowler-for-assignment.html
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i'd say tho that in 8 years, guys of Tatis' likely caliber will probably be getting $5-$10M more than that $36M per year at least. of course that may not happen, or Tatis could flop (very doubtful IMO) so instead of him testing the market at, what, 28? they signed him to a FA extension at closer to present day market value. definitely a risk, but i think it's more sound than most 14-year deals.
jpx7
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Was about to post the same. He's from Georgia originally, so that might give the Braves a slight edge towards signing him to a minor-league deal and making him a NRI. He'd essentially be Inciarte insurance: a LHH with some speed who can play all three OF positions. Most of the projections see him as a sub-.300 woba hitter in minimal PA, though Zips is the highest on him, forecasting him as ~1.0 WAR player in a hypothetical full season's worth playing-time. For whatever it's worth, he's also been pretty good at AAA the past several years.
ixiXSolidXixi
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If Fowler don’t have any minor league option I really doubt AA want a player like him. Right now AA is getting veterans to improve the team with experience.
A big risk indeed, but considering Betts just got 12/365, I don't think it's unreasonable to assume that in 4 years time, Tatis might have broken 400 million. They would be saving 100 million and a couple more years of his decline.
There is definitely a good chance this works out very well for SD. Or Tatis becomes the next Heyward...then what?
The point is SD assumed massive risk, and for what? To potentially save $5M per year 10 years from now when $5M will buy them a 6th inning BP arm?
it could be more than $5M, but yeah, point taken. it could very well work out fine but the risk is probably too big for the potential reward.
Riley can get time in the OF too.