No All Star Game in Atlanta This Season?

[jsebe10]

Pretty sure there wasn't any early voting before 7 or after 7 before this law. The voting hours is not the controversial part of this law.

Nope...

It’s identification and ballot harvesting...period.

 

[jpx7]

Voter ID is wildly popular, including with African Americans. So that's not a winning issue - especially when you consider a mail in ballot

The state has increased the number of drop boxes from where they were before the covid emergency election. That is progress. They are also ahead of most other cities in accessible drop boxes.

Why would they need to be open when voting isn't happening?

This all just seems like outrageous whining about something that isn't a big deal, and is not difficult to overcome for anyone who wants to vote. As mentioned, there are great odds the city the all star game moves to will have more restrictive voting access than GA

Because, with as bad as voter turnout routinely is in this country, especially in non-Presidential and non-federal elections, we should be making ballots as available and voting as frictionless as possible? But your using pre-CoViD goalposts is such a classic rhetorical move for you—rolling back things to slightly-better-than-pre-pandemic levels and calling that "progress" is face-palmly ridiculous.

As for "[these ballot-access hoops are] not difficult to overcome for anyone who wants to vote"—that's simply not true for lower-income communities, who suffer compounding issues of limited mobility, limited free-time, and (far too often) municipal and county services offices that are (conveniently, for the motivations of some folks) located outside (and routinely far outside) the geographical scope of their communities.

 

[msstate7]

So what? How many did the previous guy get? It's neither here nor there. Voting hours are absolutely critical to an average worker as unless they have an employer that will be flexible, it can prove difficult to make the hours presented. The hours can be extended in case of emergency, but earliest is 7 and latest is 7PM. I don't care if you don't like a party or not, but common sense should apply no?

So what if one of the reasons I'm against this bill isn't true?!!!!!

 

[Enscheff]

You have asked specifically what people have an issue with. I have 3:

1. For the 2020 election, there were 94 drop boxes across the four counties that make up the core of metropolitan Atlanta: Fulton, Cobb, DeKalb and Gwinnett. The new law limits the same four counties to a total of, at most, 23 drop boxes, based on the latest voter registration data. The number could be lower depending on how many early-voting sites the counties provide.
There won’t just be fewer drop boxes. Instead of 24-hour access outdoors, the boxes must be placed indoors at government buildings and early-voting sites and will thus be unavailable for voters to drop off their ballots during evenings and other nonbusiness hours.
The measure is likely to have the effect of pushing absentee voters to return ballots through the mail, which in 2020 did not prove as reliable as in the past because of cuts to the Postal Service. (A post office destroyed by Trump appointee DeJoy)

2. Last year, Fulton County, which includes most of Atlanta, had two recreational vehicles that traversed the county during the early voting periods, effectively bringing polling sites to people at churches, parks and public libraries. In the November election, more than 11,200 people voted at the two vehicles in Fulton County.
Georgia has now outlawed this practice, unless the governor declares a state of emergency to allow it — something that Mr. Kemp, a Republican, is unlikely to do given that it could increase voter turnout in Atlanta.

3. These new strict rules on early voting hours are likely to curtail voting access for Georgians who work daytime hours or have less flexible schedules and who may be unable to return an absentee ballot. Unless there is a holiday for voting, yes this will affect those people who cannot afford to take a day off to vote. I'm sure some rich people wouldn't think that to be an issue but some employers aren't going to pay you to vote.

I'm not putting race into this at all. But if you don't think any of these are not suppressive tactics good for you. I'm sure demon sex and alien babies are still a thing too.

Thank you.

This is nothing more than modern day Jim Crowe, specifically targeting areas that "just so happen" to be majority Black. It is laughably transparent, and the only people defending are the same people who have defending the same deplorable sides of arguments the last 5+ years. They are either ignorant, or complicit...there are no other options.

I'm proud of MLB for telling the scumbags in the South this is unacceptable.

 

[Deester11]

Thank you for actually responding in a meaningful and productive way.

A few questions for you.

1. Weren't those measures put in place specifically for covid measures and were never meant to be permenant? and those emergency measures never actually legislated? and aren't the 23 drop boxes significantly more than the numbers that were there prior to covid? I think there should be legit concern about universal mail in balloting due to losing the chain of access, so I think this is a sensible measure to take while still providing greater access than they had before and greater access than other similar cities
Yes. Those measures were for covid and it was an emergency rule. Almost as soon as they were extended though, the Republicans wanted them gone especially after Biden won. (DONT CARE WHAT PARTY PEOPLE SUPPORT, THIS IS TRUE). The rub is that boxes are now inside and if you're not making it to vote by 5, you probably aren't using a dropbox inside the govt. building before 5 either. Relying on the mail should be a no-brainer but there is no confidence in the mail in balloting either. It's a catch-22.

2. I have never heard of this practice. Is this something happening throughout the United States? This practice was minimal honestly. The pandemic dictated that more access was available. I think with the changes, it makes sense to this in elderly communities moreso. Consider that over 11,000 people used this vehicle and the election was 11,000 vote difference, it matters. EVERY VOTE matters. It should be easier, not harder for any LEGAL ID'd GEORGIAN to do so.

3. But the voting hours were actually expanded from what they were before, weren't they? The hours were flexed yes, but this bill sets it at 5PM if I'm correct and then it can be EXTENDED to 7PM. In all honesty, how many people who work 9-5 have to push just to get home by 6-7 let alone vote? If you can extend freaking shopping hours for Black Friday, can't you do it during the voting period? Just makes sense if you have an employer who is less socially conscious about voting.


And after all that... what you posted above - even if taken in the the worst possible intent - does not seemingly justify the outrageous non-proportional response that is happening. As far as I can tell, there is a high liklihood that wherever the game gets move to will be in a city with more restrictive voting access than GA

There are many more jurisdictions/States that are copying GA or making new voting laws on their own. I agree GA is being made an example out of. But in the end, don't you think as an American citizen, you have the RIGHT to vote? It should be easier to vote, not harder. That'll be my only contention.

To be clear, I have an ID. So I could care less. I can meet all of the requirements of the new law. However, the suppression tactics comes from a minority perspective when it seems as if "the man," would like less minorities to vote and have an impact in said election. To be transparent, some of these laws seem to be geared towards having less voting than more by minorities. I think the issues I have show concern for that.

 

[thethe]

How can anyone think that a government form of ID should not be furnished to place any ballot.

Signature verification? Give me a break.

 

[sturg33]

This is nothing more than modern day Jim Crowe.

LOL

JIM EAGLE!!

 

[Enscheff]

Because, with as bad as voter turnout routinely is in this country, especially in non-Presidential and non-federal elections, we should be making ballots as available and voting as frictionless as possible? But your using pre-CoViD goalposts is such a classic rhetorical move for you—rolling back things to slightly-better-than-pre-pandemic levels and calling that "progress" is face-palmly ridiculous.

As for "[these ballot-access hoops are] not difficult to overcome for anyone who wants to vote"—that's simply no true for lower-income communities, who suffer compounding issues of limited mobility, limited free-time, and (far too often) municipal and county services offices that are (conveniently, for the motivations of some folks) located outside (and routinely far outside) the geographical scope of their communities.

They literally used the exact same line during Jim Crowe...

What's the big deal if they must know how to read? Just learn how to read!

What's the big deal if they have to pay a small fee to vote? Just spend a little money!

What's the big deal if they need ID? Just go get an ID!

What's the big deal if they have to wait in line to vote? Just take time off work and/or find a sitter!

It's all the same thing, just a tweak on the mechanic to keep up the façade that it's not racist.

The real question should be...

Why make it harder at all? Where's the actual proof of all this fraud they are trying to prevent? Courts on both sides declared in unison there was no proof at all.

It's like when a pimply kid in middle school carries around a condom in his wallet "just in case". Just in case of what? That kid is just as likely to need that condom as strug is to ever see his limp dick over his fat gut ever again, or to actually be in charge of the people he pretends to manage....zero.

 

[nsacpi]

There are many more jurisdictions/States that are copying GA or making new voting laws on their own. I agree GA is being made an example out of. But in the end, don't you think as an American citizen, you have the RIGHT to vote? It should be easier to vote, not harder. That'll be my only contention.

To be clear, I have an ID. So I could care less. I can meet all of the requirements of the new law. However, the suppression tactics comes from a minority perspective when it seems as if "the man," would like less minorities to vote and have an impact in said election. To be transparent, some of these laws seem to be geared towards having less voting than more by minorities. I think the issues I have show concern for that.

The strongest argument for what MLB is doing is the deterrent effect it will have on other states considering ways to make voting more difficult.

Of course, it would be nice to also target states that already have some of these voter suppression practices in place. What Texas did with respect to drop boxes in Harris County was disgraceful.

 

[Deester11]

Nope...

It’s identification and ballot harvesting...period.

Wrong. It's called counting ballots and they didn't like the outcome.

 

[jsebe10]

They literally used the exact same line during Jim Crowe...

What's the big deal if they must know how to read? Just learn how to read!

What's the big deal if they have to pay a small fee to vote? Just spend a little money!

What's the big deal if they need ID? Just go get an ID!

What's the big deal if they have to wait in line to vote? Just take time off work and/or find a sitter!

It's all the same thing, just a tweak on the mechanic to keep up the façade that it's not racist.

The real question should be...

Why make it harder at all? Where's the actual proof of all this fraud they are trying to prevent? Courts on both sides declared in unison there was no proof at all.

It's like when a pimply kid in middle school carries around a condom in his wallet "just in case". Just in case of what? That kid is just as likely to need that condom as strug is to ever see his limp dick over his fat gut ever again, or to actually be in charge of the people he pretends to manage....zero.

Except those laws now apply to all citizens of any race now you fckn cunt!

Call us scumbags all you want but there’s a reason why genital warts like you that live out west and filthy north flock here in fckn drones like Ecuadorians at the Southern border...hate the taxes and love the low cost of living.

 

[msstate7]

They literally used the exact same line dutring Jim Crowe...

What's the big deal if they must know how to read? Just learn how to read!

What's the big deal if they have to pay a small fee to vote? Just spend a little money!

What's the big deal if they need ID? Just go get an ID!

What's the big deal if they have to wait in line to vote? Just take time off work and/or find a sitter!

It's all the same thing, just a tweak on the mechanic to keep up the façade that it's not racist.

The real question should be...

Why make it harder at all? Where's the actual proof of all this fraud they are trying to prevent? Courts on both sides declared in unison there was no proof at all.

It's like when a pimply kid in middle school carries around a condom in his wallet "just in case". Just in case of what? That kid is just as likely to need that condom as strug is to ever see his limp dick over his fat gut ever again, or to actually be in charge of the people he pretends to manage....zero.

The state is providing a free id for the absentee requirement of an id, right?

 

[Deester11]

How can anyone think that a government form of ID should not be furnished to place any ballot.

Signature verification? Give me a break.

Who is arguing that? Don't gloss over the suppression tactics, let's make it about freaking water and ID's. I carry one. I'm sure most legal people who vote do. What about the other stuff thethe? The meat and potatoes. if you agree that's cool, but the common sense stuff is dumb to argue. Oops, I'm not "woke" am i?

 

[sturg33]

There are many more jurisdictions/States that are copying GA or making new voting laws on their own. I agree GA is being made an example out of. But in the end, don't you think as an American citizen, you have the RIGHT to vote? It should be easier to vote, not harder. That'll be my only contention.

To be clear, I have an ID. So I could care less. I can meet all of the requirements of the new law. However, the suppression tactics comes from a minority perspective when it seems as if "the man," would like less minorities to vote and have an impact in said election. To be transparent, some of these laws seem to be geared towards having less voting than more by minorities. I think the issues I have show concern for that.

Yes you have the right to vote. There is nothing in this bill that would suggest otherwise.

By any objective measure, the bill expanded voting access to what it had literally one year ago

 

[Enscheff]

Except those laws now apply to all citizens of any race now you fckn cunt!

You fat slob moron, who are those laws more likely to affect?

A rich person, or a poor person?

You dumb twat, who is more likely to be poor in the toilet South?

A white person, or a black person?

Please go drink some more rubbing alcohol and pass out. Enjoy not having the ASG in your ****ty state.

 

[Deester11]

Yes you have the right to vote. There is nothing in this bill that would suggest otherwise.

By any objective measure, the bill expanded voting access to what it had literally one year ago

Ok. You've peaked my interest. What did this voting law expand? Tell me why it's easier to vote now moreso than ever. I'm not looking for a perfect answer, but enlighten me. I laid out why it would be difficult. What makes it easier?

 

[msstate7]

You fat slob moron, who are those laws more likely to affect?

A rich person, or a poor person?

You dumb twat, who is more likely to be poor in the toilet South?

A white person, or a black person?

Please go drink some more rubbing alcohol and pass out.

South has much higher % of blacks. That's why you hate the south... you're racist?

Isn't that the tactic your side uses? Haha

 

[jpx7]

How can anyone think that a government form of ID should not be furnished to place any ballot.

How can anyone think that a government form of ID should not be furnished to each citizen, entirely gratis, available within a reasonable distance of their home, and accessible for pick-up seven days a week?

 

[jsebe10]

You fat slob moron, who are those laws more likely to affect?

A rich person, or a poor person?

You dumb twat, who is more likely to be poor in the toilet South?

A white person, or a black person?

Please go drink some more rubbing alcohol and pass out.

So you’re suggesting black people are incapable of obtaining proper identification? How racist of you...How about this...Since you don’t live in GA how about you shut the **** up...

 

[sturg33]

Ok. You've peaked my interest. What did this voting law expand? Tell me why it's easier to vote now moreso than ever. I'm not looking for a perfect answer, but enlighten me. I laid out why it would be difficult. What makes it easier?

Expanded mail in voting opportunities, expanded voting hours, and expanded voting days