Republican voter suppression...

So, suppose a group of MAGA hat wearing, qanon theorists got organized enough to start pulling off some boycotts at levels capable of hurting businesses. Would you be okay with businesses caving to a right wing mob? Or is it only okay when businesses cater to causes you agree with?

Personally, I want to see businesses butt out of politics. I'd even support a constitutional amendment that limited organizational campaign contributions as well as the ability of organizations to campaign in elections. A for profit corporation is a legal fiction organized to allow the organizers to make money and limit liability. I don't need the legal fiction telling me how I should think on political issues.

You just equivocated qanon believers with voting rights advocates, in true right-wing "yeah-but-what-about?" fashion.

The South: known for always being on the wrong side of history. I guess some things will never change. Do you guys ever get sick of being scum?

I do feel bad for the Braves organization though. They didn't deserve to bear the brunt of the punishment for an injustice they had no part in bringing about.
 
And then the Left predictably takes it 5 steps further, and decides to vilify the Braves because they said, "this sucks, sorry".

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ml...wrong-side-of-history/ar-BB1ffoJw?li=BB15ms5q

What are the Braves supposed to do? Stop playing baseball because the GOP-led scum in charge passed a law they had no control over? Are the Braves supposed to leave the state of GA somehow? That would be awesome (I'd love to see them play at home without going to the cesspool), but entirely impossible.

Articles like this are exactly why we can't have honest and productive discussions about anything. Nobody believes anything the other side says is genuine because so much of it isn't.
 
You just equivocated qanon believers with voting rights advocates, in true right-wing "yeah-but-what-about?" fashion.

The South: known for always being on the wrong side of history. I guess some things will never change. Do you guys ever get sick of being scum?

I do feel bad for the Braves organization though. They didn't deserve to bear the brunt of the punishment for an injustice they had no part in bringing about.

I just picked a group I knew you'd disagree with. My question remains. Should businesses cave to economic pressure when the pressure comes from a direction you disagree with? Or is this more just that someone is acting in a way that aligns with your political views so it's okay now?

I'm fine with non-southerners calling me scum. It just confirms my views of non-southerners.
 
I HATE the term "wrong side of history". It's absolutely ridiculous. Live life the way you think is right and don't worry about who will eventually win. If you're right you're right regardless of who wins.
 
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I just picked a group I knew you'd disagree with. My question remains. Should businesses cave to economic pressure when the pressure comes from a direction you disagree with? Or is this more just that someone is acting in a way that aligns with your political views so it's okay now?

I'm fine with non-southerners calling me scum. It just confirms my views of non-southerners.

Ideological consistency is out of fashion...the play is to hurl out "whataboutism" when challenged and stick to the (D) or (R) team line
 
Having had a chance to more fully digest this bill, here are my thoughts:

First of all, I agree that the outrage is more than a bit much. Many of the biggest changes are fairly reasonable, even if I disagree both with their content and motive. It’s not Jim Crow to require that people voting absentee have a reasonable way of identifying themselves. I don’t agree that there was widespread voter fraud, but I don’t see why the specific requirements outlined in the bill aren’t at least palatable.

I do not like the reduction in drop boxes for absentee ballots, but don’t personally believe it to be overly impactful when there isn’t a pandemic. This also applies to any further ID requirements for absentee ballots. Last year was an unprecedented situation, and future elections needn’t look like them in the future. I’d like it if there weren’t a decrease in the ability to vote this way, with fewer boxes and less time to request one, but it’s not typically a big deal.

I don’t care for the food or water rule, even if that’s been overblown to an extent. I still deeply contend that voting in a major population center needs to be easier with more polling places and more flexibility in where you can vote (something that went the other way in the bill), as the conditions leading to the rule are the real problem.

I really don’t like the idea of creating extra requirements or limits to extensions for polling place. I’m not as pessimistic as some, as I think most judges will do what’s right, but that’s still a concern worth discussing.

My biggest concern is the increased potential of ****ery in the future with some of the changes to the Election Board. The bill itself is not a problem, as most election board matters are benign and cannot meaningfully impact the results of an election, but I am always cautious of any power grabs by a ruling party. The real question on this bill will come in practice if the GOP can suspend elections officials in Democratic areas (or vice versa). It’s a power that doesn’t need to be held by the legislature, and even if it doesn’t become a problem, I just dislike the principle of it.

Overall, the bill isn’t what it was feared to be by people on my side of the aisle. I feel some of the provisions aren’t prudent or necessary, but there are a lot of tricks up state legislatures’ sleeves that are far worse than this. Wisconsin alone did worse than this over the past couple years, and I don’t recall the same focus on them. I suppose you can literally call it voter suppression, as it is slightly more difficult to vote in GA than it was before the bill passed, but it’s hardly VOTER SUPRESSION if that makes sense.
 
Having had a chance to more fully digest this bill, here are my thoughts:

First of all, I agree that the outrage is more than a bit much. Many of the biggest changes are fairly reasonable, even if I disagree both with their content and motive. It’s not Jim Crow to require that people voting absentee have a reasonable way of identifying themselves. I don’t agree that there was widespread voter fraud, but I don’t see why the specific requirements outlined in the bill aren’t at least palatable.

I do not like the reduction in drop boxes for absentee ballots, but don’t personally believe it to be overly impactful when there isn’t a pandemic. This also applies to any further ID requirements for absentee ballots. Last year was an unprecedented situation, and future elections needn’t look like them in the future. I’d like it if there weren’t a decrease in the ability to vote this way, with fewer boxes and less time to request one, but it’s not typically a big deal.

I don’t care for the food or water rule, even if that’s been overblown to an extent. I still deeply contend that voting in a major population center needs to be easier with more polling places and more flexibility in where you can vote (something that went the other way in the bill), as the conditions leading to the rule are the real problem.

I really don’t like the idea of creating extra requirements or limits to extensions for polling place. I’m not as pessimistic as some, as I think most judges will do what’s right, but that’s still a concern worth discussing.

My biggest concern is the increased potential of ****ery in the future with some of the changes to the Election Board. The bill itself is not a problem, as most election board matters are benign and cannot meaningfully impact the results of an election, but I am always cautious of any power grabs by a ruling party. The real question on this bill will come in practice if the GOP can suspend elections officials in Democratic areas (or vice versa). It’s a power that doesn’t need to be held by the legislature, and even if it doesn’t become a problem, I just dislike the principle of it.

Overall, the bill isn’t what it was feared to be by people on my side of the aisle. I feel some of the provisions aren’t prudent or necessary, but there are a lot of tricks up state legislatures’ sleeves that are far worse than this. Wisconsin alone did worse than this over the past couple years, and I don’t recall the same focus on them. I suppose you can literally call it voter suppression, as it is slightly more difficult to vote in GA than it was before the bill passed, but it’s hardly VOTER SUPRESSION if that makes sense.

Its one of the biggest overreactions i have ever seen... and poor people in GA who could use a job after a devastating recession are now being denied that because of pure virtue signaling and lies
 
It’s almost like you don’t understand protests

It’s supposed to hurt

Trust me, I’d rather be at the all star game that I have already paid to attend

But I get it

Sucks that this state bought into the big lie and that kemp didn’t just tell them to suck it and that he lost and our elections were fair and secure
 
It’s almost like you don’t understand protests

It’s supposed to hurt

Trust me, I’d rather be at the all star game that I have already paid to attend

But I get it

Sucks that this state bought into the big lie and that kemp didn’t just tell them to suck it and that he lost and our elections were fair and secure

The protest makes no sense.

It EXPANDS VOTING ACCESS

it has surpassed dozens of states in voting access.

It is literally a protest based on a complete lie of reality
 
I HATE the term "wrong side of history". It's absolutely ridiculous. Live life the way you think is right and don't worry about who will eventually win. If you're right you're right regardless of who wins.

To "live life the way you think is right" sounds nice, but people live the way is most convenient and causes them the least amount of discomfort. This often means falling in with people you may not really agree with just to avoid the messy confrontation. Sadly, sometimes it's simply not feasible or practical to take a moral stand.
 
Which part of the Texas changes are you most opposed to?

Why is the 2020 election process now the baseline to determine if new legislation is more or less restrictive?

Such measures are objectively and unduly restrictive. They were pre-pandemic, and they still will be post-pandemic. People just happen to actually be paying attention now.
 
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