The subset of excess mortality not attributed to confirmed covid deaths can be so easily confirmed.
Why is that not happening?
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The subset of excess mortality not attributed to confirmed covid deaths can be so easily confirmed.
Why is that not happening?
sturg33
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I literally said it was terrific news.
I thought suicides would be up. I was wrong. I'm thrilled about it.
Unlike you, I can adjust my opinions when indisputable data is presented.
Try it some time
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
I think you have been sticking to the same opinions in the face of all sorts of data.
Your fixed point is that government-mandated interventions are bad. Including very low cost ones such as wearing a mask.
You have run through a sequence of bad arguments to support that position. The first bad argument was that it was just the flu and not too many people would die of it. Then you moved on to the large economic costs. Which is a somewhat better argument, except with respect to low cost interventions like mask wearing. Then suicides. Then kids losing valuable educational experiences. Which is your best argument, except that no one disagrees with you there. Many of us have been arguing for a long time that the data suggest the cost-benefit is heavily weighted toward reopening schools.
So in spite of all sorts of data contradicting your view, you have held to this ideologically driven opposition to government-mandated interventions. All ideology has its limitations and weaknesses. This folk libertarianism of yours has run into a tough situation where what each of us does has much bigger effects than usual on the health and well-being of others. I know it is ideologically uncomfortable for you to acknowledge this reality.
This discomfort shows through most absurdly in your arguments against masks. The argument for wearing masks is it reduces the risk that those of us who are asymptomatically contagious will spread covid to others. It is not an argument about keeping ourselves safe. It is an argument about consideration for our fellow beings. It is kind of sad to see how upsetting you and others find this simple proposition to be.
At least there has been some unintended humor to the situation. My favorite has been the obesity angle offered by the folk libertarians around here. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the argument appears to run roughly as follows. Since fat people are fat due to a lack of personal responsibility the rest of us owe nothing to them. Moreover since fat people are what is driving the covid deaths and hospitalizations, the rest of us owe nothing to trying to contain the pandemic. Did I get that right?
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It’s strange to say you support schools opening and yet only support the politicians who are keeping schools closed.
sturg33
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He is led by politics, not science
Tapate50
Well-known member
That’s called irony, and this thread is chock full of it
My argument is why are we making the world suffer a far greater pain when those who took no care of themselves are the ones driving the death totals? Why not these people be inconvenienced and stay home while the rest of us keep the world turning.
As for this part:
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This discomfort shows through most absurdly in your arguments against masks. The argument for wearing masks is it reduces the risk that those of us who are asymptomatically contagious will spread covid to others. It is not an argument about keeping ourselves safe. It is an argument about consideration for our fellow beings. It is kind of sad to see how upsetting you and others find this simple proposition to be.
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Masks have only ever been proven to prevent spread trough water particles which of course is very uncommon in asymptomatic people. You always ignore that point when it’s raised.
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This discomfort shows through most absurdly in your arguments against masks. The argument for wearing masks is it reduces the risk that those of us who are asymptomatically contagious will spread covid to others. It is not an argument about keeping ourselves safe. It is an argument about consideration for our fellow beings. It is kind of sad to see how upsetting you and others find this simple proposition to be.
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Masks have only ever been proven to prevent spread trough water particles which of course is very uncommon in asymptomatic people. You always ignore that point when it’s raised.
He supports the politicians that have the worst records when you look at results. For some reason he is so ideologically dig into what he thinks is the right process that he ignores what the results end up being.
Process over results is a thing for sure. Until the results are consistently poor. Then that might inform a reasonable person that your processes suck.
Why is this never answered?
sturg33
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Not a single study done with a control group showing mask effectiveness.
No real world data supporting mask compliance correlating with spikes
No real world data showing states with most strict mask mandates having better results
And yet.. The mask cult lives on
Oh and lol at the asymptomatic spread argument
No real world data supporting mask compliance correlating with spikes
No real world data showing states with most strict mask mandates having better results
And yet.. The mask cult lives on
Oh and lol at the asymptomatic spread argument
This is exactly what I said would happen.
The rate of spread was always irrelevant. It was always about making sure the right people got infected.
She is literally the worst person on TV.