GDT 6/29 - you know, maybe that’s ok around here still?

CyYoung31 said:
And, again, I ask you. Do you know how many games the pen has lost when leading by two+ runs after the 6th inning?
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Not off the top of my head. DOB says eight losses when leading after six. I've become numb to it all. How many of those were by two-plus runs and lost by the bullpen? I know the bullpen has lost a hell of a lot more that were tied after a certain point.

And also, at some point, this team is going to have to quit relying on the long ball if it wants to win games like this. When Freddie's ball in the seventh didn't quite have enough juice and when that ball barely went foul in the ninth, we were done for.
 
bravesnumberone said:
Not off the top of my head. DOB says eight losses when leading after six. I've become numb to it all. How many of those were by two-plus runs and lost by the bullpen? I know the bullpen has lost a hell of a lot more that were tied after a certain point.

And also, at some point, this team is going to have to quit relying on the long ball if it wants to win games like this. When Freddie's ball in the seventh didn't quite have enough juice and when that ball barely went foul in the ninth, we were done for.
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Zero. The answer is zero.
 
The reason they may be at the top of the league in losses is because Snitker leaves the starter in to blow the game, and then the bullpen comes in and gives up a run to get saddled with the loss. Just like tonight. It’s happened over and over again.
 
bravesnumberone said:
You would have absolutely been beside yourself about Morton being pulled had it been the bullpen giving it all up in the seventh. Carry on, though. Glad you weren't managing a lot of the 1-0, 2-0 complete games the Braves won over the years with great starting pitching.
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No, we wouldn’t, because everyone with half a brain understands the third time facing the order drop in performance. It would have been acceptable to allow Morton to start the 7th if doing so didn’t require punting a PA in the 6th.

This isn’t hard to understand, and this exact scenario has bitten the Braves at least 6 times this season, and cost the team runs the inning immediately after the mistake was made.

Your instance on relying on what happened “back in the day” is precisely the type of outdated dinosaur thinking that needs to be eradicated from this organization.
 
bravesnumberone said:
Not off the top of my head. DOB says eight losses when leading after six. I've become numb to it all. How many of those were by two-plus runs and lost by the bullpen? I know the bullpen has lost a hell of a lot more that were tied after a certain point.

And also, at some point, this team is going to have to quit relying on the long ball if it wants to win games like this. When Freddie's ball in the seventh didn't quite have enough juice and when that ball barely went foul in the ninth, we were done for.
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You are wrong. Period. You have no idea what you’re talking about and are living in some cliche riddled past that is in no way based on the facts of the modern game.

Moronic takes on tactics like yours are why this team is 4 games under .500. They simply aren’t good enough this year to consistently make up for these tactical errors.
 
Eight games lost in which the bullpen gave up the lead, several more where they allowed the go-ahead run right after the team had rallied to tie it. This year just sucks.
 
Enscheff said:
You are wrong. Period. You have no idea what you’re talking about and are living in some cliche riddled past that is in no way based on the facts of the modern game.

Moronic takes on tactics like yours are why this team is 4 games under .500. They simply aren’t good enough this year to consistently make up for these tactical errors.
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One base runner after the blown lead in the seventh. No runs outside of Ozzie bomb. Has happened time and time and time again.
 
bravesnumberone said:
One base runner after the blown lead in the seventh. No runs outside of Ozzie bomb. Has happened time and time and time again.
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Well, yeah. The offense is the main issue (other than Snitker) now that the pitching has mostly corrected itself. But it doesn’t have anything to do with approach. It has to do with lack of talent. If the Braves are going to have any hope of making a run, they’re going to have to address LF, and probably CF. Hopefully, catcher fixes itself.
 
Enscheff said:
No, we wouldn’t, because everyone with half a brain understands the third time facing the order drop in performance. It would have been acceptable to allow Morton to start the 7th if doing so didn’t require punting a PA in the 6th.

This isn’t hard to understand, and this exact scenario has bitten the Braves at least 6 times this season, and cost the team runs the inning immediately after the mistake was made.

Your instance on relying on what happened “back in the day” is precisely the type of outdated dinosaur thinking that needs to be eradicated from this organization.
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He was three times through the top half of their order with almost zero problems. Got screwed on the Pillar at bat. There was no drop in performance his third time through the previous two outings.
 
bravesnumberone said:
One base runner after the blown lead in the seventh. No runs outside of Ozzie bomb. Has happened time and time and time again.
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So? Players get hits when they get hits. That part isn’t under the managers control. That part is nearly impossible to correct and is part of the volatility inherit to the sport of baseball.

These tactical errors are directly under the managers control, and he is consistently making the wrong move. It is very simple to not make this same exact error over and over like snit has done.
 
bravesnumberone said:
He was three times through the top half of their order with almost zero problems. Got screwed on the Pillar at bat. There was no drop in performance his third time through the previous two outings.
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Welcome to the club of people basing decisions on meaninglessly small sample sizes. Well done. Way to know absolutely nothing. Basing a decision on a sample size of 12 innings…moronic.

The 3rd time through the order effect is well documented…and snit compounded the problem by wasting a scoring opportunity before allowing it to happen. It’s the same mistake he’s made over and over.
 
CyYoung31 said:
Well, yeah. The offense is the main issue (other than Snitker) now that the pitching has mostly corrected itself. But it doesn’t have anything to do with approach. It has to do with lack of talent. If the Braves are going to have any hope of making a run, they’re going to have to address LF, and probably CF. Hopefully, catcher fixes itself.
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Unfortunately, I think the ship has sailed. There is going to be no run this year. They're almost the exact opposite of what they were the last three years. And with Freddie likely gone, the Ozuna BS, the Soroka thing, etc., there's a lot of work to do to get the team built back to make a run at a championship.
 
Looks like baseball purgatory to me - not good enough to really win (which includes overcoming managerial deficiencies) and not bad enough to throw in the towel and rebuild again. And we're not even to the end of and ultimate re-signing of Freddie Freeman yet. Going to mess around and waste what was a brilliant set of moves in tying up Acuna and Albies. Who would have thought.

Someone might want to look at the LA Angels. They at least spend money, but not very wisely. And they've essentially wasted the best years of the best player in the last 50 years. And it's not going to get better for them. They'll ride Trout straight into his retirement without ever winning anything.

Everybody got a taste of a little Braves fools gold and are now suddenly surprised. It's easy to win when things go right. Hell, even the KC Royals won a WS with one of the weakest teams to do it in 50 years. That didn't mean they would be good for an extended period. A team needs to reach it's high water mark of WS contender with plenty left in the tank to keep it there. Or else, find itself locked into a thrashing attempt to keep its head above water before ultimately going down for the third time and dying. Problem is, some refuse to even acknowledge that they are dead and continue on with the whole - if we could just get x and a little luck....
 
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