Trades/acquisitions

Enscheff said:
I did want a the Braves to go full reload like the Nats and Cubs did, but there may be reasons we are not privy to that more or less forced them away from being sellers (willingness of their main trade chips to be traded is the most likely factor).

Given they couldn’t sell, for whatever reason, this was a very good execution of being a buyer on paper, but not actually giving up much future value…in exchange for very little real present value. The team didn’t really get much better, but the narrative in the clubhouse and amongst the lowest common denominator fan base is that they are “going for it” and “want to win”. The sheer number of trades, and the names involved drives that point home well.
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I think we got a little better as we added a back end bullpen piece and have actual major leaguers in the outfield. I wouldn't say we improved by any significant margin but I think we saw our OF scrubs play over their head which would not continue. This will now be offset because we have guys who are at worse replacement level.

Rodriguez should help us win a game or two down the road as well and that one game may make a difference because the Mets are just average without Degrom.
 
thethe said:
Ynoa was absolutely dynamite before being an idiot. For me he gets the right of first refusal for the rotation based on his performance when he returns.
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Yeah but he’s been out long time and will need a long rehab to amp up to a starter late in the year... all while we have a terrible pen. He’s a rookie who made a dumb decision punching a wall... he doesn’t get the choice
 
thethe said:
I think we got a little better as we added a back end bullpen piece and have actual major leaguers in the outfield. I wouldn't say we improved by any significant margin but I think we saw our OF scrubs play over their head which would not continue. This will now be offset because we have guys who are at worse replacement level.

Rodriguez should help us win a game or two down the road as well and that one game may make a difference because the Mets are just average without Degrom.
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We really need soler to return to prior years form
 
zbhargrove said:
Yeah but he’s been out long time and will need a long rehab to amp up to a starter late in the year... all while we have a terrible pen. He’s a rookie who made a dumb decision punching a wall... he doesn’t get the choice
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I think he would need 3 starts to get back to a 5+ inning workload. He will be fresh and we just added a back end piece to our pen.

I get that his velocity would be intriguing in the pen but his dominance right before he left is forcing my mind to consider him a starter now.

Morton
Fried
Anderson
Ynoa
Smyly/Muller

I think thats a legitimate world series rotation. The rest of our team isn't there but I think thats what we roll with for the rest of the year.
 
msstate7 said:
Could be a game changer in a bad division
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Playing for a contract as well so might strike lighting in a bottle for 2 months. He has shown he can be a big time impact guy before. Just have to hope we see more regression to his mean performance based on the statcast data.
 
Enscheff said:
This idea that it’s smart to “fix the BP long term” at the trade deadline is something I’ve never agreed with. BP acquisitions should be purely rentals due to the volatile nature of BP arms. I would have much rather seen AA get someone like Kennedy or Soria and held onto Wilson because he provides real value as a AAAA spot starter.
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I tend to agree, but for some reason (and he's not that consistent about it), Anthopoulos was talking about control beyond this season leading up to the trade deadline. Three of the five obtained (Pederson, Duvall, and Rodriguez) fall into that category. I can see the wisdom of that approach with Pederson, but I'm not sure on the other two. Curious to see how they approach Soler and Rosario.
 
Enscheff said:
I did want a the Braves to go full reload like the Nats and Cubs did, but there may be reasons we are not privy to that more or less forced them away from being sellers (willingness of their main trade chips to be traded is the most likely factor).

Given they couldn’t sell, for whatever reason, this was a very good execution of being a buyer on paper, but not actually giving up much future value…in exchange for very little real present value. The team didn’t really get much better, but the narrative in the clubhouse and amongst the lowest common denominator fan base is that they are “going for it” and “want to win”. The sheer number of trades, and the names involved drives that point home well.
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I bet Snitker is one of those guys. He probably thinks Soler is legit middle of the order bat and will attempt to play him everyday.
 
Whats the downfall of adding a guy like Rodriguez assuming he isn't solely a product of illegal substances? What indication is there that we shouldn't expect his performance to continue. Top end guys like him aren't as volatile.

Look at the population of closers YoY. Of course there is volatility but there is also a good degree of consistency. We can't just look at the general volatility of bullpen arms and apply them to all guys in the pen.
 
zbhargrove said:
Why would Duvall be a DH guy? He’s a great fielder
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I actually think the DH saves a guy like Duvall. You're right, he's a good (I wouldn't say great) fielder with misleading offensive skills, but the DH allows teams to keep guys like him in the field because regardless of how frustrating Duvall can be, he's still a better hitter than the pitcher. A lot of good-to-great defensive players with marginal offensive skills have had their careers extended by the presence of the DH.
 
50PoundHead said:
I actually think the DH saves a guy like Duvall. You're right, he's a good (I wouldn't say great) fielder with misleading offensive skills, but the DH allows teams to keep guys like him in the field because regardless of how frustrating Duvall can be, he's still a better hitter than the pitcher. A lot of good-to-great defensive players with marginal offensive skills have had their careers extended by the presence of the DH.
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All of his statcast defensive data says he’s in the top 90% of the league. Granted it’s harder to apply statcast to defense than pitching and hitting but seems to me he’s pretty great
 
zbhargrove said:
All of his statcast defensive data says he’s in the top 90% of the league. Granted it’s harder to apply statcast to defense than pitching and hitting but seems to me he’s pretty great
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50 agrees that Duvall is a good fielder.

His argument is the DH saves him because with a good hitting DH you are more comfortable playing guys who have defensive ability despite lack an impact bat since that guy is still a better hitter htan the pitcher.
 
Enscheff said:
I did want a the Braves to go full reload like the Nats and Cubs did, but there may be reasons we are not privy to that more or less forced them away from being sellers (willingness of their main trade chips to be traded is the most likely factor).

Given they couldn’t sell, for whatever reason, this was a very good execution of being a buyer on paper, but not actually giving up much future value…in exchange for very little real present value. The team didn’t really get much better, but the narrative in the clubhouse and amongst the lowest common denominator fan base is that they are “going for it” and “want to win”. The sheer number of trades, and the names involved drives that point home well.
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I'm here with the acquisitions. I like the Rodriguez move...I'm ok with not seeing Almonte/Heredia everyday and I'm also aware of the players returning from injury. Where I think the Braves are without Acuña is somewhere between average to mediocre unless Siler and Rosario channel their inner few years ago, the bullpen discovers how to be effective and Snit learns to...Nevermind that.

The trades to me signify we want to be competitive because we believe we're an "ok" team with a chance to win the division. Maybe that's all you hope for given the bevy of dumb circumstances the team has been a victim of. Maybe in a normal year you push your chips in, but I thought this was a pretty good opportunity to sell what you can, reinforce the farm system and see what you have at the end of the year. AA didn't do terrible....I thought he did..decent. Didn't give up much of anything, threw some darts and landed a good arm.
 
i wanted a full sell because i don’t see the point in anything else. but as chef said maybe there are reasons that wasn’t a real option. and if that’s the case, i’m glad zero potential big future impact was let go. in that case AA made it look good without really doing much, which is skillful.
 
zbhargrove said:
All of his statcast defensive data says he’s in the top 90% of the league. Granted it’s harder to apply statcast to defense than pitching and hitting but seems to me he’s pretty great
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I probably wasn't clear, but I agree with you. He's good defensively with some big holes in his offensive game. My point is the DH covers guys. You can give a little offense for the sake of defense because even with the sacrifice in offense, the defensive-oriented player is going to out-hit the pitcher.

A guy like Mark Belanger--defensive wizard with a career .580 OPS--had his career extended by about a decade because the Orioles could afford to put up with his balsa wood bat because of the DH. It's not as clear now as it was when the DH was first introduced because players are better hitters now.
 
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thethe said:
50 agrees that Duvall is a good fielder.

His argument is the DH saves him because with a good hitting DH you are more comfortable playing guys who have defensive ability despite lack an impact bat since that guy is still a better hitter htan the pitcher.
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He said good not great. I was making the argument that he is pretty great
 
50PoundHead said:
I probably wasn't clear, but I agree with you. He's good defensively with some big holes in his offensive game. My point is the DH covers guys. You can give a little offense for the sake of defense because even with the sacrifice in offense, the defensive-oriented player is going to out-hit the pitcher.

Guys like Mark Belanger--defensive wizard with a career .580 OPS--had his career extended by about a decade because the Orioles could afford to put up with his balsa wood bat because of the DH. It's not as clear now as it was when the DH was first introduced because players are better hitters now.
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Fair enough. I get it. I’m splitting hairs a bit here
 
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