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My feeling on Duvall is that with Acuna coming back, Waters/Pache and Pederson being LH, where do you play Duvall and where do you bat him in the lineup. I dont like the flail and fail approach that seems to be de jour at the moment. IMO that $5M or whatever can be better spent on a high OBP power hitter for DH with a contending team,
 
thethe said:
When someone says great fielder I think of Jason Hayward as a brave and not Duvall. Duvall is a good fielder for sure but id pumped the breaks at great.
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Analytics say he’s been pretty great. That doesn’t mean Platinum Glove-level, just meaningfully better than “good”.
 
jpx7 said:
Analytics say he’s been pretty great. That doesn’t mean Platinum Glove-level, just meaningfully better than “good”.
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Fair enough - 46th on OAA for baseball savant for qualified outfielders.

I think his prowess out there is being overstated a tad.
 
zbhargrove said:
You don’t consider top 90% great? That’s weird
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Heyward was elite, Duvall has been great statistically this year. i wouldn’t consider Duvall overall great, personally. i understand the analytics say he has been this year. but defensive stats in a not huge sample don’t establish his baseline.

i’m thankful i still have plenty of hairs for all this splitting.
 
Super said:
Heyward was elite, Duvall has been great statistically this year. i wouldn’t consider Duvall overall great, personally. i understand the analytics say he has been this year. but defensive stats in a not huge sample don’t establish his baseline.

i’m thankful i still have plenty of hairs for all this splitting.
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**** you.
 
zbhargrove said:
You don’t consider top 90% great? That’s weird
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But he isn't in the 90th percentile of OAA which I believe is the primary statcast defensive metric on baseball savant. Happy to be corrected otherwise.



Outs Above Average (OAA) is the cumulative effect of all individual plays a fielder has been credited or debited with, making it a range-based metric of fielding skill that accounts for the number of plays made and the difficulty of them. For example, a fielder who catches a 25% Out Probability play gets +.75; one who fails to make the play gets -.25.
 
Super said:
Heyward was elite, Duvall has been great statistically this year. i wouldn’t consider Duvall overall great, personally. i understand the analytics say he has been this year. but defensive stats in a not huge sample don’t establish his baseline.

i’m thankful i still have plenty of hairs for all this splitting.
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I guess I put elite in a tier above great
 
PawPawMaxwell said:
My feeling on Duvall is that with Acuna coming back, Waters/Pache and Pederson being LH, where do you play Duvall and where do you bat him in the lineup. I dont like the flail and fail approach that seems to be de jour at the moment. IMO that $5M or whatever can be better spent on a high OBP power hitter for DH with a contending team,
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That was the same conundrum after 2020. A lot will depend on Ozuna's status. He comes back, he's the DH. But unless the team moves Acuna to CF, there's really not a logical place for Duvall unless you platoon him with Pederson.
 
50PoundHead said:
That was the same conundrum after 2020. A lot will depend on Ozuna's status. He comes back, he's the DH. But unless the team moves Acuna to CF, there's really not a logical place for Duvall unless you platoon him with Pederson.
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They should platoon him with Pederson.
 
50PoundHead said:
That's a platoon that will likely cost $16 MM. We may not have a better option, but we would still need a CF if you employ a platoon with those two.
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If Ozuna is back, he should be DH. Platoon Pederson/Duvall in LF and roll with Pache/Waters in CF. That’s how it should’ve been to start this year if the NL had the DH like it was supposed to.
 
thethe said:
Whats the downfall of adding a guy like Rodriguez assuming he isn't solely a product of illegal substances? What indication is there that we shouldn't expect his performance to continue. Top end guys like him aren't as volatile.

Look at the population of closers YoY. Of course there is volatility but there is also a good degree of consistency. We can't just look at the general volatility of bullpen arms and apply them to all guys in the pen.
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Well, let’s see….

xwOBA before July 1: .252
xwOBA after July 1: .353

FA spin rate before July 1: 2565
FA spin rate before July 1: 2354

He is a textbook example of a guy who lost 200 rpm on the fastball after the ban, and his results immediately suffered. He is not the guy I would have targeted if I were in charge.

For some reason they decided to spend extra prospect capital on a guy who very clearly lost effectiveness without sticky stuff, and they did it in part because he has extra team control. That team control will likely end up being worthless if his spin rates don’t recover, and somebody in the FO should have known this since it took me 3 minutes to look up on my phone as I sit on my couch.
 
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The way I see it, the deadline turned out as good as we could have hoped for a team in our position. As Enscheff notes, we were likely handcuffed from trading our top 2 pieces. So the best alternative is what we did: add at the margins without giving up anything of value, and give the fan base the appearance we are going for it, so the strong attendance numbers continue.
 
Enscheff said:
Well, let’s see….

xwOBA before July 1: .252
xwOBA after July 1: .353

FA spin rate before July 1: 2565
FA spin rate before July 1: 2354

He is a textbook example of a guy who lost 200 rpm on the fastball after the ban, and his results immediately suffered. He is not the guy I would have targeted if I were in charge.

For some reason they decided to spend extra prospect capital on a guy who very clearly lost effectiveness without sticky stuff, and they did it in part because he has extra team control. That team control will likely end up being worthless if his spin rates don’t recover, and somebody in the FO should have known this since it took me 3 minutes to look up on my phone as I sit on my couch.
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xFIP over 6 in July as well. We were sold a lemon.
 
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