PawPawMaxwell
Called Up to the Major Leagues
It was a radio conversation that was quoted on fanside or sb nation IIRC. Again, I do not know enough about this computer crap to pull and post or whatever the process is called.
Trades/acquisitions
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It was a radio conversation that was quoted on fanside or sb nation IIRC. Again, I do not know enough about this computer crap to pull and post or whatever the process is called.
PawPawMaxwell
Called Up to the Major Leagues
I doubt the Marlins would be dumb enough to ask something like that and then turn around and send him to Oakland for what they got back for 2 month use.
Julio3000
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50PoundHead
Hessmania Forever
If the Marlins wanted quality over quantity, there's no way we could have matched the A's offer of Luzardo with one guy. It would have to have been something like Muller + Good Prospect to get it done.
The Braves could not have beaten the Luzardo package. The guy was a legit Top 10ish prospect a year ago. The Marlins have actually built the stable of young arms Braves fans thought they built 5 years ago.
Muller is a nothing compared to Luzardo's current value.
Muller is a nothing compared to Luzardo's current value.
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bravesfanMatt
Steve Harvey'd
yeah, I am still not buying the Muller success. He is living on a thin margin in my opinion. I don't think other teams are hyping this guy based on a small sample of MLB success.
I am pulling for him and hope he is for real.. He has done a lot better than I could have imagined.. that is for sure.
I am pulling for him and hope he is for real.. He has done a lot better than I could have imagined.. that is for sure.
I listened to Shanks' interview with AA today, and AA said they realized early that Miami was not interested in trading Marte in the division. He also said the Duvall trade likely cost more than it would have if he was on a team in another division.
PawPawMaxwell
Called Up to the Major Leagues
I think he didn’t wanna let him go tbh, which would explain the original no deal situation
Luzardo's current value seems a decent bit beaten down to what is was a year ago. I sort of doubt the A's make this trade if Luzardo was still a 21-22 year old top 10 overall prospect.
But you are correct that Muller wasn't likely close, unless teams view his progress this year as legit.
Well...let's take 15 seconds to review his stats to see if anything jumps out as glaringly unsustainable...
HR/FB rate of 2.9%...comically low.
BABIP of .250...also low.
When the luck on fly balls regresses his ERA will converge with his xFIP of 4.60. Then everyone will be saying, "omg....like....what happened to Muller? He was such a stud, and now Kranitz screwed him up. Fire Kranitz!!....derp".
msstate7
Well-known member
FIP is 2.99
xERA is 3.24
Luzardo (career in these)...
Fip 6.09 (4.74)
XERA 4.81
xFIP 4.66 (4.12)
I don't care about this either way, but seems unfair to boost one guy while ignoring his numbers and tearing down the other based on one stat.
Now, I will admit, I don't know if Kyle can continue this. Both are 23 FWIW
This is why you don't judge a players value on a small sample size. Luzardo clearly has more value than Muller despite what they have shown in the majors. Nobody but Braves fans even know who Muller is.
msstate7
Well-known member
I remember being told this exact thing when I compared Riley to senzel. How's that's playing out?
Again, I said unless teams view his progress as legit. He certainly won't maintain a sub 3 ERA with a BB rate over 4.
From reports, his command has improved a good bit since taking a little off the top. He's striking out plenty of big league batters. His stock is certainly up. I would hardly classify as simply a 45 FV pitcher at this point.
From reports, his command has improved a good bit since taking a little off the top. He's striking out plenty of big league batters. His stock is certainly up. I would hardly classify as simply a 45 FV pitcher at this point.
msstate7
Well-known member
Another thing to consider is do you think Oakland is smart? If you say they are, how do you justify giving up this great pitcher for a rental when they had a 10% chance of winning the west? So a smart team on a tight budget traded a star for a chance to be in a 1-game playoff.
Bad for Senzel? Riley was a 55 FV prospect which means he's a real prospect so his development isn't all that surprising. Muller's results have a lot of luck to them. I think that's obvious. Where he ends up who knows. But I peg him as a back end of the rotation guy at best.
There is a chance that Oakland knows something and wants to trade him before he becomes a Kyle Wright. That may be a factor. There is also the consideration that Oakland is historically tight with money. They got Miami to pay the remaining of Marte's salary. Could be that Oakland is tapped out and paid even more of a premium to ensure it didn't effect their payroll.
bravesfanMatt
Steve Harvey'd
I often wonder if some prospect just flame out because they are not on a good team. I know not in every case, but humans are humans for a reason and when you have to go out for 162 games knowing you are going to lose 100 of them, it has to be hard. Clearly the elite guys are just going to be good because they are just good.. But I wonder if in an alternate universe you switched Senzel and Riley teams, would you see career paths being different or about the same.