The Biden Presidency
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striker42
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https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/16/politics/white-house-afghanistan-biden-crises/index.html
I found this interesting:
"Aides say while he welcomes dissenting views and robust debate, he is most likely to abruptly shut down a conversation if he feels his knowledge of a situation -- particularly on international affairs -- is being questioned"
That goes to explaining how we got here. Biden clearly believes to his core that we have to withdraw in any circumstance. If he shuts down dissent when he feels he knows what's happening then no one would dare to dissent on such a core belief.
I found this interesting:
"Aides say while he welcomes dissenting views and robust debate, he is most likely to abruptly shut down a conversation if he feels his knowledge of a situation -- particularly on international affairs -- is being questioned"
That goes to explaining how we got here. Biden clearly believes to his core that we have to withdraw in any circumstance. If he shuts down dissent when he feels he knows what's happening then no one would dare to dissent on such a core belief.
cajunrevenge
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Bidens track record on everything is bad.
sturg33
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He has a lot in common with our lecturer... Judgement and senility are nearly indistinguishable
sturg33
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The execution of withdrawal is some of the worst incompetence I've ever seen.
Having said that, I will take this outcome over staying additional years. Someone had to rip the bandaid... Biden did. That doesn't excuse what a catastrophe it was, but we had to get out.
Now the military can focus on the true terror threats - Trump supporters
Having said that, I will take this outcome over staying additional years. Someone had to rip the bandaid... Biden did. That doesn't excuse what a catastrophe it was, but we had to get out.
Now the military can focus on the true terror threats - Trump supporters
NinersSBChamps
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Why not stay there as an occupying force? I believe it has been 18 months since a U.S. fatality took place. Being there is not ideal, but it was having some impact there. Afghan forces had been doing the heavy lifting and it’s not like our troops were in a fire fight every day. Our presence isn’t needed there, but is it needed in South Korea or Japan?
Jaw
It's OVER 5,000!
Yes to Korea and Japan. There are some other places it makes sense, like Diego Garcia, Philippines, pretty much any island in the Pacific, a couple of air bases and a port in the Middle East for bombing terrorists and patrolling oil tanker shipping lanes. I would like to see Europe abandoned other than Iceland and an airbase somewhere like Poland in Eastern Europe. Deterring violence is cheaper in both blood and gold than responding to violence after the fact.
I agree with this. I'm 100% with Ron Paul's view on America's "world building". We overstayed our welcome by about 19 years. Getting out is great and I was glad when Trump worked out that deal. However the way this was handled was really pathetic.
sturg33
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We'd be in such a better position if we listen to Ron Paul on just about everything
I was a big supporter of his. Too many people living off the status quo for legit difference makers to be elected.
Without question.
The ones that try to be difference makers are ostracized.
Its a racket run by the donor class.
striker42
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Rick Scott said Congress needs to explore using the 25th Amendment to relieve Biden of his responsibilities. Apparently his handling of Afghanistan showed he's not capable of executing his duties as President.
I actually agree that Biden should submit to tests of his mental fitness and the 25th Amendment should be used if he's got the early stages of dementia. However that has nothing to do with his handling of Afghanistan. It has everything to do with him being old and at an age where dementia often sets in. I thought Trump should have been subjected to the same tests.
Basically, if the President is over 70 I think they should be tested regularly for signs of dementia.
I actually agree that Biden should submit to tests of his mental fitness and the 25th Amendment should be used if he's got the early stages of dementia. However that has nothing to do with his handling of Afghanistan. It has everything to do with him being old and at an age where dementia often sets in. I thought Trump should have been subjected to the same tests.
Basically, if the President is over 70 I think they should be tested regularly for signs of dementia.
zbhargrove
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Agree... I have doubts Biden is fit to be president... just like I had no confidence Trump could lead (which he obviously couldn't... he was most certainly not fit)... our country is in major trouble with those in control of the major parties right now
Tapate50
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Flat out stunning those are the last two nominations. Stunning.
Tapate50
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You aren't the only one who thinks that.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/v...arly_every_major_foreign_policy_question.html
Robert Gates thinks he's been wrong on pretty much everything abroad.
striker42
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I don't think Biden's Afghanistan blunder had anything to do with his age. I think Afghanistan is a blind spot for him.
The following are things I've read in mainstream sources (CNN, Reuters, BBC, etc):
-Biden has an unshakable belief that withdrawing the US from Afghanistan as quickly as possible is the correct decision
-Biden has filled his team with advisors that share this belief
-Biden is generally tolerant of debate but will shut it down quick when it's something he feels knowledgeable on, especially foreign policy
These things are a recipe for disaster. It's how you get a President acting as if the world is how he wants it to be and not how it is. Biden's strong belief in withdrawal makes it difficult for him to see the risks and downside. Advisors would normally be able to help him by pointing those out but he's picked people that agree with him on this. Anyone who might speak up wont as this is a topic Biden would likely shut down discussion on.
So instead of paying attention to the warning bells, listening to those sounding the alarm, and having contingencies in place, Biden moved forward as if the withdrawal would go off flawlessly and was caught shocked and flat footed when it didn't. It's not terribly dissimilar to how we got into this situation. Instead of the belief in withdrawal we had a belief in nation building.
The following are things I've read in mainstream sources (CNN, Reuters, BBC, etc):
-Biden has an unshakable belief that withdrawing the US from Afghanistan as quickly as possible is the correct decision
-Biden has filled his team with advisors that share this belief
-Biden is generally tolerant of debate but will shut it down quick when it's something he feels knowledgeable on, especially foreign policy
These things are a recipe for disaster. It's how you get a President acting as if the world is how he wants it to be and not how it is. Biden's strong belief in withdrawal makes it difficult for him to see the risks and downside. Advisors would normally be able to help him by pointing those out but he's picked people that agree with him on this. Anyone who might speak up wont as this is a topic Biden would likely shut down discussion on.
So instead of paying attention to the warning bells, listening to those sounding the alarm, and having contingencies in place, Biden moved forward as if the withdrawal would go off flawlessly and was caught shocked and flat footed when it didn't. It's not terribly dissimilar to how we got into this situation. Instead of the belief in withdrawal we had a belief in nation building.