Religious Right in Arizona Cheer bill that allows them to not act like Jesus would...

goldfly said:
well bedell from the start successfully changed the topic to debate that instead of the topic being about so called christians doing the opposite of how Jesus would act on this issue
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Not that it matters, but actually you can blame Z. I just challenged him on his overstatements.
 
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Didn't the Supreme Court decide a while back that as long as a business didn't accept federal money they could serve/not serve whomever they pleased?? Isn't this the same thing as the Boy Scouts not having gay scoutmasters? Personally I think not serving someone "you don't like the looks of" is silly bordering on stupid but as long as there's no federal money involved and you aren't providing those "essential services" (which of course would also bring those federal monies back into the picture) I'm relatively sure you can serve or refuse to serve anyone you choose, though once again if you're turning away business in these times you must be doing really really really well with the customers you do choose to serve. If anyone has any documentation otherwise by all means present it.
 
Makes sense OKlahoma hawk. Isn't that how the Citadel kept women out for so long and got away with it? No government money.
 
Krgrecw said:
Makes sense OKlahoma hawk. Isn't that how the Citadel kept women out for so long and got away with it? No government money.
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I believe that's the way they ruled it and haven't changed their minds yet, though the fact that you say it makes sense definitely makes me wonder, this is the government we're talking about and the only thing that scares me more than when they don't make sense is when it seems like they are making sense, cause I'm sure I must have missed something. LOL
 
"Gay Americans, like many members of minority groups, are poorly served by their self-styled leadership. Like feminists and union bosses, the leaders of the nation’s gay organizations suffer from oppression envy, likening their situation to that of black Americans — as though having to find a gay-friendly wedding planner (pro tip: try swinging a dead cat) were the moral equivalent of having spent centuries in slavery and systematic oppression under Jim Crow. Their goal is not toleration or even equal rights but official victim-group status under law and in civil society, allowing them to use the courts and other means of official coercion to impose their own values upon those who hold different values."
 
goldfly said:
are you saying Jesus would follow in the steps of what arizona is doing?
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I am saying you are no expert.

I am saying that Jesus didn't endorse that which he considered sin. Spend time with sinners? Absolutely. Love sinners? Absolutely. Endorse that which was sinful. No. Define "love" in anyway which approved of sin? No.
 
BedellBrave said:
I am saying you are no expert.

I am saying that Jesus didn't endorse that which he considered sin. Spend time with sinners? Absolutely. Love sinners? Absolutely. Endorse that which was sinful. No. Define "love" in anyway which approved of sin? No.
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haha

none of that answers my question.

you ducked and dodged
 
BedellBrave said:
I am saying you are no expert.

I am saying that Jesus didn't endorse that which he considered sin. Spend time with sinners? Absolutely. Love sinners? Absolutely. Endorse that which was sinful. No. Define "love" in anyway which approved of sin? No.
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He also said all sins are equal, and only those who have not sinned should cast stones.
So homosexuals are no more sinners than anyone else.
It's so sad that still today, "religious" nuts feel they can judge others, as if they're any better.
It would be amusing if some day, businesses were able to identify "devout christians" (i put it in quotations because most of them are a joke who hardly practice what they preach) and not serve them, and see how it truly feels to be discriminated against based on pretty much nothing, nothing to do with character or the type of person one is.
These "highly religious" bigots are clinging to any hope they have of their outdated and offensive viewpoints remaining in tact, knowing that it's crumbling and people are waking up a little.
If only they practice what jesus/god/holy spirit/whoever he is this week told them - love thy neighbor as thyself, don't cast stones. They are so ass-backwards from what they "believe." As if gay people are doing them personal harm. It is a sad, sad joke.
 
BedellBrave said:
"Gay Americans, like many members of minority groups, are poorly served by their self-styled leadership. Like feminists and union bosses, the leaders of the nation’s gay organizations suffer from oppression envy, likening their situation to that of black Americans — as though having to find a gay-friendly wedding planner (pro tip: try swinging a dead cat) were the moral equivalent of having spent centuries in slavery and systematic oppression under Jim Crow. Their goal is not toleration or even equal rights but official victim-group status under law and in civil society, allowing them to use the courts and other means of official coercion to impose their own values upon those who hold different values."
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The comparisons are easy to draw while recognizing the situation is a tad different.
The whole Michael Sam/NFL thing is similar to the Jackie Robinson/baseball thing.
 
goldfly said:
haha

none of that answers my question.

you ducked and dodged
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I've read the proposed AZ law and to be honest, I ain't good at lawyer speak. But if you think that Jesus would celebrate/endorse/promote that which he considered a violation of the moral law and which didn't match the creational intent nor picture the relationship between himself and his bride, then no, you aren't an expert of the Jesus of the NT Gospels.
 
yeezus said:
1. He also said all sins are equal, and

2. only those who have not sinned should cast stones.

So homosexuals are no more sinners than anyone else.
It's so sad that still today, "religious" nuts feel they can judge others, as if they're any better.
It would be amusing if some day, businesses were able to identify "devout christians" (i put it in quotations because most of them are a joke who hardly practice what they preach) and not serve them, and see how it truly feels to be discriminated against based on pretty much nothing, nothing to do with character or the type of person one is.
These "highly religious" bigots are clinging to any hope they have of their outdated and offensive viewpoints remaining in tact, knowing that it's crumbling and people are waking up a little.
If only they practice what jesus/god/holy spirit/whoever he is this week told them - love thy neighbor as thyself, don't cast stones. They are so ass-backwards from what they "believe." As if gay people are doing them personal harm. It is a sad, sad joke.
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Well you are wrong on 1 and 2 so I didn't read further.
 
BedellBrave said:
I've read the proposed AZ law and to be honest, I ain't good at lawyer speak. But if you think that Jesus would celebrate/endorse/promote that which he considered a violation of the moral law and which didn't match the creational intent nor picture the relationship between himself and his bride, then no, you aren't an expert of the Jesus of the NT Gospels.
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again

are you saying Jesus would follow in the steps of what arizona is doing?

you're still trying to change the subject to "celebrate/endorse/promote" instead of what my question asks
 
yeezus said:
The comparisons are easy to draw while recognizing the situation is a tad different.
The whole Michael Sam/NFL thing is similar to the Jackie Robinson/baseball thing.
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Just a "tad" you say? Not getting a wedding cake from a particular baker. Gotcha.
 
goldfly said:
again

are you saying Jesus would follow in the steps of what arizona is doing?

you're still trying to change the subject to "celebrate/endorse/promote" instead of what my question asks
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What else do you want me to say? I don't think Jesus would be the photographer at the wedding of Fred and Arnold. He'd feed them fish and bread, pass'm a cup of good wine, hang out with Fred and Arnold though. As would I, if they'd have me.
 
BedellBrave said:
What else do you want me to say? I don't think Jesus would be the photographer at the wedding of Fred and Arnold. He'd feed them fish and bread, pass'm a cup of good wine, hang out with Fred and Arnold though. As would I, if they'd have me.
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i still think you are walking a nice tight rope to not really answer it

but whatever

it's sad that we as a country are legislating hatred again in this country and yet again, it is the people that say they love Jesus the most that are justifying it
 
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