Minor Shoulder & Urethra Issues

Another part of the issue is whether our pitching or pitching depth is best improved at this point by picking up another Freddy Garcia or Paul Maholm type pitcher. It varies on a case by case basis depending on what you already have each year. Chris Capuano did not make sense for the Red Sox a few weeks ago. But when Dempster announced he wasn't playing this year, it made sense for them to make the move.

I think you want to calibrate your quality of pitching by how much they are likely to actually pitch. Based on prior year's experience you have an idea of how much your #6 is likely to pitch, how much your #7 guy is likely to pitch, etc.

Of course the most dramatic way to improve your rotation is by bringing in a #1. That improves the whole rotation by moving everyone else down a rung. But as with any acquisition, you need to weigh the improvement against the costs. We've talked about this quite a bit with respect to David Price and a few others. They would be nice to have, but not cost efficient. For a team like the Braves, homegrown pitching is the way to go. It exploits a strong comparative advantage that our farm system has demonstrated over the years.

He's a soft-tosser, but I wouldn't have been averse to signing Capuano. I understood why they picked up Garcia late last season, but I was shocked when they brought him back. I think Capuano is better than Garcia.

It looks like Johan Santana is done. He's throwing in the low-80s and the only way that works is if his change-up is an eephus .
 
I'll say this again, but I see no reason Teheran and/or Minor can't take a step forward this year and be "that guy." Even Wood could come up big and surprise a lot of people, especially if they didn't see it coming.

What about his broken dick that led to a shoulder injury? You always hear these stories, like Dizzy Dean altering his delivery because of his toe injury, which ruint his arm...if your dick's not 100%, you really shouldn't go.
 
So what more does Varvaro have to do. Hes not Kimbrel and hes never going to be but he is useful. Im not quite sure why he was left off the postseason roster at the time it made no sense as he had a very good year and frankly was a better option then a hurt Walden.

My concerns with the pitching staff lie with the bullpen. Relief pitchers tend to be very fickle year to year and we're counting huge on two guys, Avilan and Carpenter, that came completely out of nowhere to do what they did last year in leading up to Kimbrel. Venters is coming back off his 2nd Tommy John surgery. I've never been a fan of Varvaro and don't think he's a particularly good pitcher. Other guys that are options like Butcher, Obispo and Vasquez have never pitched in the majors. So that's where my concern is with the pitching staff. Not with the starting pitching. I think our overall depth and the quality of the 1-5 that we can throw out there outweights not having a Clayton Kershaw or Adam Wainwright at the top of the rotation. That's why it's not a corcern for me. The other concern I have is with the bench. The Braves had a lot of unexpected contributors off the bench last year and I don't know if you can count on guys like Pena and Schafer to repeat the years they had and I'm not a huge fan of the Ryan Doumit move. I understand why Wren got him but I don't know if Doumit can be successful as a pinch-hitter since he's always been a regular/semi-regular player in his career and is coming off a pretty poor year with the bat.
 
I don't get why everyone is worried hell boston won the world series with a rotation that was arguably the worst of any playoff team. We were two bad Carpenter pitches away from forcing game 5 and giving Meds another chance. Also, suprisingly it seems most of you didnt take a second to realize that Carpenter shouldnt even have been on the mound at that point. If you have a healthy Jordan Walden, EOF or Venters the thought of bringing Kimbrel in in the 8th probably wouldn't even have been neccesary. Truthfully i can list on probably 1 hand the amount of staffs id rather have then ours. I think you guys are worrying way to much
 
He's a soft-tosser, but I wouldn't have been averse to signing Capuano. I understood why they picked up Garcia late last season, but I was shocked when they brought him back. I think Capuano is better than Garcia.

It looks like Johan Santana is done. He's throwing in the low-80s and the only way that works is if his change-up is an eephus .

When the Braves signed Floyd, I read somewhere that Capuano was their second choice. Don't know what he was asking for at the time. But the Braves only wanted one and went with Floyd. I agree that Capuano would have been a nice complementary piece. Would have helped with our being a bit short of lefties for the pen.
 
I would not want Capuano being a lefty out of our pen. Over the last three years he has give up the following OPS in number of pitches thrown:

1 - 15 .754
16-30 .622

I just don't think he is a viable relief pitcher.
 
I would not want Capuano being a lefty out of our pen. Over the last three years he has give up the following OPS in number of pitches thrown:

1 - 15 .754
16-30 .622

I just don't think he is a viable relief pitcher.

I know it is small sample size (but not much more than what some are citing in favor of Freddy Garcia), but Capuano did a good job in the playoffs against us coming out of the pen.
 
I disagree about the Beachy part mainly because we have no idea what he is going to be. Everything else is spot on though.

Yea, I think I am (and possibly you, along with Dalyn, are) a lot more frightened that Beachy may never regain anything close to his old form—especially considering the hiccup in his return last year—than most posters seem to be. I'm hopeful he can be at least serviceable, but I'm certainly not counting on him to pitch up to the level of Minor, Medlen, or Teheran (or even Wood) without seeing him do it for a few months first.
 
So what more does Varvaro have to do. Hes not Kimbrel and hes never going to be but he is useful. Im not quite sure why he was left off the postseason roster at the time it made no sense as he had a very good year and frankly was a better option then a hurt Walden.

I have no idea on Varvaro. He was used in some fairly high-leverage situations late in 2012 and early in 2013, but for some reason, there looks to be some kind of trust issue vis-a-vis Fredi and him.
 
4.19 xFIP for Varvaro last year, same for his career.

He did have good ERA and FIP numbers last year. But that was largely an artifact of the 4.5% HR/FB rate.

For 2014 Steamer projects FIP of 4.08 for Varvaro, 3.96 for Freddy Garcia, 3.91 for Hale and 3.75 for Gearrin. I would definitely take Hale and Gearrin (assuming good health) over Varvaro and Garcia and not just because of those projections. My own take on the effectiveness of these pitchers just happens to line up with the projections, and I think the gap between Hale and Garcia is larger than what the projections are saying.
 
He's a soft-tosser, but I wouldn't have been averse to signing Capuano. I understood why they picked up Garcia late last season, but I was shocked when they brought him back. I think Capuano is better than Garcia.

It looks like Johan Santana is done. He's throwing in the low-80s and the only way that works is if his change-up is an eephus .

The Braves should have signed Capuano to ensure they wouldn't have to face him. Maybe he could have given some insight as to why the Braves seem to crap down both legs against lefties with 80 mph fastballs.
 
Minor deserves respect. If you speak out against him, you are just a link in chains of fools. Think. Just think. You are day dreaming if you don't see it. Once his sore shoulder is something he can feel again, he'll jump to it, and you better believe he'll get it right. Call me if you have any questions or doubts. I have a bridge over troubled waters I can sell you.
 
So what more does Varvaro have to do. Hes not Kimbrel and hes never going to be but he is useful. Im not quite sure why he was left off the postseason roster at the time it made no sense as he had a very good year and frankly was a better option then a hurt Walden.

I agree that Varvaro should have been on the postseason roster over Walden. Those two moves, leaving Uggla off and putting Walden on, were very stupid moves by Fredi and co. I had to put "and co." on there because I know Fredi doesn't make those decisions all by himself.

As for my issue with Varvaro? I think he walks too many people. I'm looking at this numbers from last year and scratchign the hell out of my head at hoe he managed to post a 2.82 ERA and a 3.47 FIP with a K/9 of just 5.28 and a BB/9 of 3.07 His xFIP (I don't know what the difference is between FIP and xFIP) was 4.19. I think he was just extremely lucky last year and will be back to his 2011 and 2012 level this year, which is just your basic average replaceable middle relief pitcher.. You can do far worse or you can do better.

I wish the Braves had taken a gamble on Andrew Bailey. What harm would that have caused for the 2014 budget? Yankees gave him just $1M guaranteed. Surely the Braves could have scraped that together?
 
I know it is small sample size (but not much more than what some are citing in favor of Freddy Garcia), but Capuano did a good job in the playoffs against us coming out of the pen.

That's nothing new, the Braves always get shutdown by lefties that can't throw the ball faster than 85 mph. Remember the complete game shutout Capuano tossed against us in 2011 when he was with the Mets? Or was that 2012? What about the times Jamie Moyer owned us? Or any other soft tossing lefty?
 
Minor deserves respect. If you speak out against him, you are just a link in chains of fools. Think. Just think. You are day dreaming if you don't see it. Once his sore shoulder is something he can feel again, he'll jump to it, and you better believe he'll get it right. Call me if you have any questions or doubts. I have a bridge over troubled waters I can sell you.

HOLY SHEET! For the first time ever Dalyn posts something that I'm in 110% agreement on. :YDS:
 
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