The Coronavirus, not the beer

thethe said:
The argument and calculus changes on a daily basis now.

Lets see where this ends up because some data out of the UK has been suprising.
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My analogy has always been that the vaccine is a bulletproof vest. It's simply protection. It's not perfect. You can still die if you're shot while wearing a bulletproof vest. You can still be severely injured. But there are a lot of people who have had their lives saved because of their bulletproof vest.

Considering the minimal costs to me of getting vaccinated and the benefit of additional protection, it's a pretty easy cost-benefit analysis.
 
striker42 said:
My analogy has always been that the vaccine is a bulletproof vest. It's simply protection. It's not perfect. You can still die if you're shot while wearing a bulletproof vest. You can still be severely injured. But there are a lot of people who have had their lives saved because of their bulletproof vest.

Considering the minimal costs to me of getting vaccinated and the benefit of additional protection, it's a pretty easy cost-benefit analysis.
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And I still fully support at risk getting the vaccine and when the time comes I'll be getting my father a booster.

The point still remains that healthy people under 40 do not need to, and really should not be getting vaccinated.
 
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I know some of you have been concerned about Oberlin and wanted to post some reassuring news. Oberlin conducted 1,368 tests last week and 1 came back positive. Many students from around the country and world returned to campus last week. If the next batch of data are similarly reassuring, they will be in a good position to relax the outdoor mask mandate that they implemented out of an abundance of caution.
 
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thethe said:
And if they didn't have the outdoor mask mandate they might have had 2 infections!!!
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You could call it excessive or overkill. Or an abundance of caution.

They have done yeoman's work last year and this year keeping everyone safe on campus. As have many other colleges and universities.
 
O'Keefe now saying that a full time Pfizer employee about to go on the record with high level e-mails and communications for things that Pfizer doesn't want hte public to know.

Lets see what he's got
 
nsacpi said:
You could call it excessive or overkill. Or an abundance of caution.

They have done yeoman's work last year and this year keeping everyone safe on campus. As have many other colleges and universities.
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I don't have to call it anything.

Its obvious to anyone.
 
thethe said:
Free?

Not what I'd call the trajectory we are on currently
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Not just free. But great.

America has always been a great country. As we immigrants well appreciate.

Just look at the companies that have produced the vaccines that are saving lives all over the world. Pfizer. Moderna. Johnson & Johnson. All great American companies. In the case of Pfizer founded in Brooklyn by two brothers who had immigrated from Germany.
 
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thethe said:
And I still fully support at risk getting the vaccine and when the time comes I'll be getting my father a booster.

The point still remains that healthy people under 40 do not need to, and really should not be getting vaccinated.
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It's all cost-benefit. There's very, very minimal cost to getting the vaccine. While the benefit is much smaller for younger, healthier people, there's still a benefit. Even a small amount of protection is worth the cost.

One of the problems with Covid that some people are ignoring is the amount of hospital resources taken up by a single patient. Covid is often something that doesn't kill you quickly. You linger on a ventilator for weeks. And while younger people are at lower risk for severe disease, they do still get it and still go on ventilators for weeks or months. They often pull through but that is still huge amounts of resources dedicated to them. Any reduction we make on the number of severe diseases eases the strain on the system.

There are benefits there with minimal risk. Even if you're healthy and under 40, you're still far, far, far more likely to die from Covid or have long lasting issues than you are from the vaccine. It's not even close. No matter how you slice it, the benefits outweigh the cost.
 
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striker42 said:
It's all cost-benefit. There's very, very minimal cost to getting the vaccine. While the benefit is much smaller for younger, healthier people, there's still a benefit. Even a small amount of protection is worth the cost.

One of the problems with Covid that some people are ignoring is the amount of hospital resources taken up by a single patient. Covid is often something that doesn't kill you quickly. You linger on a ventilator for weeks. And while younger people are at lower risk for severe disease, they do still get it and still go on ventilators for weeks or months. They often pull through but that is still huge amounts of resources dedicated to them. Any reduction we make on the number of severe diseases eases the strain on the system.

There are benefits there with minimal risk. Even if you're healthy and under 40, you're still far, far, far more likely to die from Covid or have long lasting issues than you are from the vaccine. It's not even close. No matter how you slice it, the benefits outweigh the cost.
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the only reason its not close is because the percentage of a healthy person under 40 even getting ill is incredibly small so the percentage gain off of something incredibly small is a big number despite the raw increase being almost irrelevant.

The vaccines should be dispersed around the world and should not be going in the arms of healthy people.
 
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striker42 said:
It's all cost-benefit. There's very, very minimal cost to getting the vaccine. While the benefit is much smaller for younger, healthier people, there's still a benefit. Even a small amount of protection is worth the cost.

One of the problems with Covid that some people are ignoring is the amount of hospital resources taken up by a single patient. Covid is often something that doesn't kill you quickly. You linger on a ventilator for weeks. And while younger people are at lower risk for severe disease, they do still get it and still go on ventilators for weeks or months. They often pull through but that is still huge amounts of resources dedicated to them. Any reduction we make on the number of severe diseases eases the strain on the system.

There are benefits there with minimal risk. Even if you're healthy and under 40, you're still far, far, far more likely to die from Covid or have long lasting issues than you are from the vaccine. It's not even close. No matter how you slice it, the benefits outweigh the cost.
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I've had the shots. They don't hurt at all.
 
striker42 said:
My analogy has always been that the vaccine is a bulletproof vest. It's simply protection. It's not perfect. You can still die if you're shot while wearing a bulletproof vest. You can still be severely injured. But there are a lot of people who have had their lives saved because of their bulletproof vest.

Considering the minimal costs to me of getting vaccinated and the benefit of additional protection, it's a pretty easy cost-benefit analysis.
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This analogy continues to miss the mark, bigly

1. I don't wear a bullet proof vest because I am near zero risk of getting shot on a daily basis

2. You can wear your bullet proof vest out of fear of being shot. But making me wear a bullet proof vest gives you no additional protection
 
striker42 said:
It's all cost-benefit. There's very, very minimal cost to getting the vaccine. While the benefit is much smaller for younger, healthier people, there's still a benefit. Even a small amount of protection is worth the cost.

One of the problems with Covid that some people are ignoring is the amount of hospital resources taken up by a single patient. Covid is often something that doesn't kill you quickly. You linger on a ventilator for weeks. And while younger people are at lower risk for severe disease, they do still get it and still go on ventilators for weeks or months. They often pull through but that is still huge amounts of resources dedicated to them. Any reduction we make on the number of severe diseases eases the strain on the system.

There are benefits there with minimal risk. Even if you're healthy and under 40, you're still far, far, far more likely to die from Covid or have long lasting issues than you are from the vaccine. It's not even close. No matter how you slice it, the benefits outweigh the cost.
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I heard a person speaking about a friend they have who was in the hospital for a couple of weeks with Covid before surviving and going home. The brag made was "so and so got a bad case of Covid and wasn't vaccinated, but they still survived."

I restrained myself from the reflexive "maybe they wouldn't have had a bad case if they had been vaccinated," and instead went with "gosh I bet the bill for two weeks in the hospital is life changing." That seems to be a better motivator with the vaccine hesitant.
 
sturg33 said:
This analogy continues to miss the mark, bigly

1. I don't wear a bullet proof vest because I am near zero risk of getting shot on a daily basis

2. You can wear your bullet proof vest out of fear of being shot. But making me wear a bullet proof vest gives you no additional protection
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Bullets are not contagious.

1 in 400 Americans dead from covid. Enough with the nonsense.
 
Jaw said:
I heard a person speaking about a friend they have who was in the hospital for a couple of weeks with Covid before surviving and going home. The brag made was "so and so got a bad case of Covid and wasn't vaccinated, but they still survived."

I restrained myself from the reflexive "maybe they wouldn't have had a bad case if they had been vaccinated," and instead went with "gosh I bet the bill for two weeks in the hospital is life changing." That seems to be a better motivator with the vaccine hesitant.
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Some companies are charging larger insurance premia for their unvaccinated employees. Seems to be a sensible thing to do. Delta charges $200 per month extra. It has had a powerful effect in incentivizing its employees to get vaccinated.
 
nsacpi said:
Bullets are not contagious.

1 in 400 Americans dead from covid. Enough with the nonsense.
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I'm not the one who keeps making the bad anaology

and it's actually 1 in 475 Americans - assuming you believe the numbers at face value (and I know the sheep do). In other words, you enthusiastically cheer the cancelling of the Bill of rights and mass firings of citizens for something that 99.8% of populations has managed to survive
 
sturg33 said:
I'm not the one who keeps making the bad anaology

and it's actually 1 in 475 Americans - assuming you believe the numbers at face value (and I know the sheep do). In other words, you enthusiastically cheer the cancelling of the Bill of rights and mass firings of citizens for something that 99.8% of populations has managed to survive
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Gunshot?

Covid death
 
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