The Coronavirus, not the beer

thethe said:
Gunshot?

Covid death
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And let's not forget the median age is still above the life expectancy.

What we have done to our economy, our liberty, and our fellow citizens has been catastrophic for something that was bad, but certainly manageable without crushing the liberty of US citizens
 
sturg33 said:
This analogy continues to miss the mark, bigly

1. I don't wear a bullet proof vest because I am near zero risk of getting shot on a daily basis

2. You can wear your bullet proof vest out of fear of being shot. But making me wear a bullet proof vest gives you no additional protection
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Every analogy misses the mark.

Congrats on pointing out that an analogy is flawed. You get the award for being the pedantic cunt of the day.
 
zitothebrave said:
Every analogy misses the mark.

Congrats on pointing out that an analogy is flawed. You get the award for being the pedantic cunt of the day.
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strikers says I have to wear my bullet proof vest for his bullet proof vest to work better.

its not only a flawed analogy, it's a downright terrible one
 
sturg33 said:
I'm not the one who keeps making the bad anaology

and it's actually 1 in 475 Americans - assuming you believe the numbers at face value (and I know the sheep do). In other words, you enthusiastically cheer the cancelling of the Bill of rights and mass firings of citizens for something that 99.8% of populations has managed to survive
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No it is 1 in 400 or even slightly worse based on the excess mortality data. It is an enormous and tragic number. And doesn't take into account the serious medical problems faced by many survivors.
 
sturg33 said:
This analogy continues to miss the mark, bigly

1. I don't wear a bullet proof vest because I am near zero risk of getting shot on a daily basis

2. You can wear your bullet proof vest out of fear of being shot. But making me wear a bullet proof vest gives you no additional protection
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The analogy works in relation to protection. That's the intent. A bulletproof vest is protection in the event you do get shot. It reduces the chance of you dying. It's not perfect, it's just protection. The same is true with the vaccine.

As for where it breaks down, it doesn't break down because your risk of getting shot is zero. It breaks down because bulletproof vests have higher costs. They're expensive, they're bulky and uncomfortable, clothes aren't made to fit over them, etc.

Now suppose you're shopping for a shirt. You have two shirts that are identical. The only differences are that one has been treated with some amazing new polymer so that it's bulletproof and the bulletproof one costs 50 cents more. Do you buy the bulletproof shirt or do you buy the normal shirt?

Your risk of getting shot is near, but not quite zero. This shirt is likely to never need its bulletproof quality. But in the rare event you do need it, the payoff is huge. Also, the cost now is minuscule.

That's where we're at with the vaccine. The cost is tiny. And while your risk might be tiny, in the event something bad happens, the cost is enormous. It's perfectly logical to pay a tiny price to avoid a potentially massive cost. It's why I have life insurance. The risk I die during the policy is tiny but if I do, the financial loss to my family would be huge. The cost of term life insurance to me is also tiny. I'm willing to pay that small cost to avoid the potential large risk.
 
As long as you're aware my bullet proof vest doesn't increase the effectiveness of your bulletproof vest, wear as many vests as you'd like
 
sturg33 said:
strikers says I have to wear my bullet proof vest for his bullet proof vest to work better.

its not only a flawed analogy, it's a downright terrible one
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It's more that if we're both wearing bulletproof vests and we're both shot and there's only one operating room available, it's far more likely that one of our vests will stop the bullet and mean only one of us needs surgery than if only one of us is wearing one.

So the benefit to me is that if I get shot and it penetrates my vest, if your vest stopped yours I have an OR available to me.

Also, I just want you to survive if you get shot. Even if it provides no other benefit for me, you reducing your risk of death is an end I want to see occur.
 
thethe said:
The idea of overcrowded hospitals because of covid has been disproven countless occasions
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Weird.

during the pandemic my sister has worked as an executive administrator for both Northside and Grady (the two most well known hospitals in Atlanta). She has told me the numbers are not being fudged. Mind you, she’s a libertarian and voted for Trump twice.

She oversees hospital operations and how to do things efficiently. She hasn’t seen the carnage on the front lines since she’s on the administrative side, but she interacts with doctors and the department heads to get an idea of how things are. And Covid has been no fudging. They have been legitimately overcrowded due to Covid.
 
The Chosen One said:
Weird.

during the pandemic my sister has worked as an executive administrator for both Northside and Grady (the two most well known hospitals in Atlanta). She has told me the numbers are not being fudged. Mind you, she’s a libertarian and voted for Trump twice.

She oversees hospital operations and how to do things efficiently. She hasn’t seen the carnage on the front lines since she’s on the administrative side, but she interacts with doctors and the department heads to get an idea of how things are. And Covid has been no fudging. They have been legitimately overcrowded due to Covid.
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in light of the bolded part i am inclined to dismiss the veracity of the entire post
 
The Chosen One said:
Weird.

during the pandemic my sister has worked as an executive administrator for both Northside and Grady (the two most well known hospitals in Atlanta). She has told me the numbers are not being fudged. Mind you, she’s a libertarian and voted for Trump twice.

She oversees hospital operations and how to do things efficiently. She hasn’t seen the carnage on the front lines since she’s on the administrative side, but she interacts with doctors and the department heads to get an idea of how things are. And Covid has been no fudging. They have been legitimately overcrowded due to Covid.
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I can post the studies done which show that almost 50% of the hospitalizations were not necessary or had nothing to do with COVID.

Whats really driving the hospitalizations up is the misinformation and people thinking that actually need to go to the hospital for every positive test.

Maybe your sisters experience, or rather these doctors, is different and thats fine. Its more anecdotal than a wide ranging study which shows its not the reality of the situation on the ground.
 
thethe said:
I can post the studies done which show that almost 50% of the hospitalizations were not necessary or had nothing to do with COVID.

Whats really driving the hospitalizations up is the misinformation and people thinking that actually need to go to the hospital for every positive test.

Maybe your sisters experience, or rather these doctors, is different and thats fine. Its more anecdotal than a wide ranging study which shows its not the reality of the situation on the ground.
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What about ICU bed numbers? Not every idiot with the sniffles gets put into the ICU?
 
sturg33 said:
ICU numbers are always around 90% even before covid.

The media just reporting on the hysteria to drive you to buy another bullet proof vest
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What he said.

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I also attached random articles from different time periods prior to COVID of complaining about hospital overcrowding and shortages. In one situation because of a bad flu year they were helping people on tables OUTSIDE.

This is all so contrived and I can't believe how well its working.

If people were ACTUALLY concerned about hospital overcrowding we would not be firing nurses and health care workers.
 
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I know someone who had to go to a hospital two counties away for chest pains because ours was full. There were patients in rolling beds in hallways because the rooms were all taken.
 
Jaw said:
I know someone who had to go to a hospital two counties away for chest pains because ours was full. There were patients in rolling beds in hallways because the rooms were all taken.
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I don't disagree that happened and has happened in many locations. Why its happening is what I'm contesting.
 
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