Ukraine

thethe said:
Its certainly possible but Europe doesn't do anything unless US leads the way. Its the sad truth. NOBODY wants to go to war and I hope that this doesn't escalate to that but if this is just swept into the rug I don't see what is to stop Russia in a couple of years from doing this again.

Also, a move like this can encourage terrorist groups around the world that the West is weak. This is a very dangerous move that is being made right now. I don't think any response is the right one and thats scary.
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Russia would not do this to a NATO country. They know they're royally ****ed if they do. NATO has hard-line provisions that would assure big action. I'm sure discussions similar happened years ago, saying "yeah, but Russia won't invade Ukraine." But things change, and I don't see any way Russia would want to mess with NATO. There is a 0% chance of that ending well for them.
 
yeezus said:
Ukraine is not worth WWIII. I think even Russia probably feels that way.
Can't see China ditching us to solely back Russia. They need us way too much.
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If they (Russia) do, then they can be backed down. Putin just dumped a ****e-load of money into a PR campaign with the Sochi Olympics. He now risks losing what bang he got for his buck. Exploit that in the media. There needs to be a huge PR-campaign waged against Russia now.
 
BedellBrave said:
If they (Russia) do, then they can be backed down. Putin just dumped a ****e-load of money into a PR campaign with the Sochi Olympics. He now risks losing what bang he got for his buck. Exploit that in the media. There needs to be a huge PR-campaign waged against Russia now.
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There you go. Nothing wrong with that.
 
BedellBrave said:
If they (Russia) do, then they can be backed down. Putin just dumped a ****e-load of money into a PR campaign with the Sochi Olympics. He now risks losing what bang he got for his buck. Exploit that in the media. There needs to be a huge PR-campaign waged against Russia now.
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That's reasonable and fine.
I also liked your ideas in #s 3 and 6 above.
 
BedellBrave said:
1. Begin full-scale diplomacy with the new Ukrainian leadership. Very public, very open, very clear on principles.

2. Revisit and strengthen the cooperative language of the 2008 agreement.

3. Place US troops in Poland on high alert. Don't move them though to the Poland/Ukraine border.

4. Constant multi-channel communications with Putin and the Russian government.

5. Strengthen our strong relations with Turkey.

6. Russia's leverage is in great part due to natural gas. And European countries are very vulnerable. Promoting any Western or other alternatives that can't be as easily manipulated/controlled by another country should have a heightened priority.

7. Continue to help develop Moldova. Oh yes, we are there.
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8. Work the Chinese and the Indians in ways that hurt Russia. Let Russia know that can stop…

9. Wage a massive media campaign against Russian "aggression."
 
yeezus said:
Meh, Russia taking part of Ukraine does not threaten our lifestyle.
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No, not now it doesn't. But in a few years when they become more emboldened and then encourage another large nation to join them...then we are in for a doozy.
 
thethe said:
Nations with strong centralized governments tend to do odd things. There is no way we can sit here and predict exactly what China wants to do. These Eastern Nations do not like the way the West lives. There is deep rooted resentment involved here.
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China's entire economy is based on their production and goods. West is where their money comes from. They may try to pull a power move most nations do, but they won't do it by siding with Russia in WW3, I think they'll take more of a corporate takeover route.
 
thethe said:
No, not now it doesn't. But in a few years when they become more emboldened and then encourage another large nation to join them...then we are in for a doozy.
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Like who? Who would join them? China? Small chance.
They won't invade a NATO country any time soon. They would be screwed. They don't want that.
 
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