Ukraine

[50PoundHead]

After the Russian Revolution of 1917, the Russian master plan for the Soviet states was to follow the standard Russian imperialistic line and flood Russians into the other Soviet states (including the Ukraine), dispossess the existing residents, and establish a strong pro-Russian (sometimes a majority Russian) local governments. Nearly a century later, the animosity between the Russians and the native populations that were largely dispossessed is still quite strong. That's why you see as much pro-Russian push back in parts of the Ukraine.

 

[goldfly]

What a joke by Kerry to say this: "You just don't in the 21st Century behave...by invading another country on completely trumped-up pretext"

 

[Dalyn]

What a joke by Kerry to say this: "You just don't in the 21st Century behave...by invading another country on completely trumped-up pretext"

This is what it looks like when the country is run by greed and polls (not a racial slur, Poland!). Opinions change with every check and every poll.

 

[Hawk]

@peterbakernyt: US official says "Russian forces now have complete operational control of the Crimean peninsula."
[ http://twitter.com/peterbakernyt/status/440234708749004801 ]

Well, that was quick.

 

[Hawk]

... And just like that, Obama is sending Kerry to the front line. Will arrive in Kiev on Tuesday.

 

[Dalyn]

... And just like that, Obama is sending Kerry to the front line. Will arrive in Kiev on Tuesday.

I wonder if this is a David and Bathsheba type of thing?

Eh, probably not -

 

[BedellBrave]

After the Russian Revolution of 1917, the Russian master plan for the Soviet states was to follow the standard Russian imperialistic line and flood Russians into the other Soviet states (including the Ukraine), dispossess the existing residents, and establish a strong pro-Russian (sometimes a majority Russian) local governments. Nearly a century later, the animosity between the Russians and the native populations that were largely dispossessed is still quite strong. That's why you see as much pro-Russian push back in parts of the Ukraine.

That was the Machiavellian imperialistic strategy that I mentioned before and they have played it to a T.

 

[BedellBrave]

... And just like that, Obama is sending Kerry to the front line. Will arrive in Kiev on Tuesday.

The Russians are cheering.

That said, that's where he needs to be. Now, let's hope Lurch will be able to walk and chew gum at the same time.

 

[Dalyn]

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=287_1393605865

 

[Krgrecw]

I'm still waiting for the diplomatic response to work....

If I were Putin I would take the Kiev airport so Kerry can't land and I wouldn't Let Kerry cross the border by car. Wonder what O would do if that happened?

 

[CK86]

How much will gas go up? That's really all I care about right now given my current financial situation.

 

[BedellBrave]

Good Brit analysis.

 

[BedellBrave]

This one is coming back to bite.

 

[The Tariff King]

This one is coming back to bite.

How? Al qaeda is a bigger threat to us. Russia isn't threatening us by taking over a part of Ukraine that those residents admire Russia.

 

[The Tariff King]

Sad the top comment of that article is this. Maybe you feel that way too Bedell.

 

[Oklahomahawk]

You know SAV, Obama may be a good president, he may be a terrible president, but IMO the current situation doesn't have jack schidt to do with which category he fits in and if some Dumas Repub who can't get his head out of Limbaugh/Hannity/Coulter/Malkin's arse wants to throw the current situation up to you, toss this one back to him/her.

I doubt Bedell feels this way, but of course he gets to decide for himself. My only real critique of your post is that you need to increase the font size if you want someone my age to read what you're referring to or attaching.

 

[50PoundHead]

That was the Machiavellian imperialistic strategy that I mentioned before and they have played it to a T.

Missed that post, but you were right on the mark. If Trotsky would have prevailed, there may have been more nuance to the strategy, but Bolshevik foreign policy was largely an extension of Tsarist foreign policy with very little variance.

 

[BedellBrave]

Sad the top comment of that article is this. Maybe you feel that way too Bedell.

There you go again. Same playbook. Criticize POTUS and I must be like that guy.

When it comes to Putin, neither Bush nor Obama have been all that great.

 

[BedellBrave]

You know SAV, Obama may be a good president, he may be a terrible president, but IMO the current situation doesn't have jack schidt to do with which category he fits in and if some Dumas Repub who can't get his head out of Limbaugh/Hannity/Coulter/Malkin's arse wants to throw the current situation up to you, toss this one back to him/her.

I doubt Bedell feels this way, but of course he gets to decide for himself. My only real critique of your post is that you need to increase the font size if you want someone my age to read what you're referring to or attaching.

Isn't that doing the very thing you so often decry Hawk?

And the present situation absolutely has something to do with the foreign policy of President Obama and of President Bush before him. A president's foreign policy has something to do with what kind of president he is viewed as being doesn't it?

 

[BedellBrave]

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=287_1393605865

Oh crap.

What was it - like 6000 Russian troops are there overnight?