Ukraine

Oklahomahawk said:
Me? I actually read about as many papers as W said he read while president. I read stuff online sometimes but I have to spend so much time grading some really good and a whole bunch of really crappy student papers I simply don't have the time. I almost never read anything for fun anymore, except what I read on here (now you can see what a wonderful life I live from day to day). :icon_biggrin:

About the most entertaining thing I get to do sometimes is to track down where you guys get your "original" ideas for some of the posts made on here. It's a little scary actually that nobody here listens to or reads any far left or far right sites or listens to any far left or far right personalities, yet somehow they come up with posts that if placed into turnitin.com (something we teachers use when we actually have time to track a paper's real origins) would probably cause the whole damn site to crash, or more likely go up like Hiroshima. I comment on it occasionally but usually I just keep to myself, shake my head, and lament our nation's future.
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The newspaper question and answer was the Katir Couric "gotcha" media bias
 
KeithLockhart said:
The newspaper question and answer was the Katir Couric "gotcha" media bias
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That's why I hate politics, too much "gotcha", I have no illusions about Sarah Palin's political future, though I'll put her brains up against Ted Cruz and Michelle Bachmann's grey matter combined any time. I do believe Katie didn't mind taking sides, in fact she was probably just waiting for an opening, but Sarah clearly was not and IMO is not ready for prime time, it wasn't just that once that she came across as "in over her head". It's just too much "our folks" and "their folks" for me. The moment we stopped all being American folks is the moment we started downhill as a nation IMO and I think we're all guilty of that more often than we'd like to admit, I know I am, I've been really rough on W, and the whole Hee Haw gang though to be honest I don't recall being that hard on Sarah. Maybe I was though. I have zero use for the Democratic party (though I do like Democratic voters) but I see what the Repubs have done to this nation and how hard it is for regular people to make it and I have voted for my last Repub (though I also like Repub voters) unless they have a real come to Jesus meeting and that ain't happening unless he goes to meet them, those individuals (the politicians and their mouthpieces such as their columnists, radio and TV personalities, etc.) are words I can't even speak on a public forum, even in the vulgarity forum.
 
Oklahomahawk said:
I already said I would more than happily give her credit for being right about this (if she was), I honestly just don't remember, yay or nay. I will gladly trust your memory on it though. I understand why you're upset at those who insult her and have for years (and I honestly think I've been nicer to her than most) but you'll also remember who else has been saying Putin is a dangerous monster just looking for a place to happen for at least the last decade.
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I posted what she said above. And it's not so much that people have insulted her - that's a part of being a politician - and particularly for one who also dishes it herself - it's when people dish, mock, belittle and then never admit when, crap, the person they mocked, might have gotten something right (or closer to right than them) and they were wrong on that point. Why do we all have to be so frickin right all the time?
 
KeithLockhart said:
Read the interview transcripts. They're so generic you think she was a robot. No specifics no substance. If she thought she got screwed by the Americans because they thought she was dumb then good for her. I find it annoying she's trying to take the spotlight and do the told ya so thing while our president is trying to fix the problem diplomatically. Read game change and all of her assistants said she had no clue who Anyone was internationally.
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I've already posted what she said. And again - it ain't about her - it's about us.
 
BedellBrave said:
For the defenders of President Obama's foreign policy to this point, is there anything in your mind that he has done wrong? Hopefully, your answer is "yes." If so, what?

I am willing to say that I think he has been doing well, post-Crimean invasion.

I am also willing to say that though it took him too long to come to his decision on Syria, I think that decision was correct.

I believe his actions in regard to Somali pirates have been sound as was his taking out of Bin Laden.

I'm sure I could come up with numerous other examples. My point being, can you do the same in the other direction? And if so what would you list?
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I think that Obama has been reticent to assert, and make clear that he is asserting, an active leadership role in some foreign policy arenas. I'm hesitant use the same language that his critics from the right are anxious to deploy, but I'm willing to concede that it could be viewed as passive or deliberative to a fault. Those on the left tend to value nuance, but on that stark national platform, an affinity for nuance can appear to be a lack of clarity.

I also think he did the right thing in Syria, and think it is worth noting that reversing course and declining to project (literal) power was actually a courageous decision. On the other hand, he frittered away (or appeared to, anyway) a lot of time that could have probably been used to constructively engage the interested parties.

What else? I'd have to think about it. Mexico?
 
BedellBrave said:
"After the Russian Army invaded the nation of Georgia, Sen. Obama's reaction was one of indecision and moral equivalence, the kind of response that would only encourage Russia's (Vladimir) Putin to invade Ukraine next."

Bush's wasn't that great.

But there you have it.
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Here you go again.
 
KeithLockhart said:
I'm sorry you feel she was bullied unwrongly bedell. Hillary is getting railed by Rand over her husband's infidelity two decades ago.

Obama's been bullied since he decided to run for office. Palin wasn't ready for prime time. Her interview with Gibson and Couric were premeditated answers. The genuine answer you got from her was Russia was across the Bering strait and russia is Alaska's neighbor.
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Let me try one more time - it isn't about this one or that one getting bullied, it is about how we dish out crap at politicians that we don't like and then can hardly ever say we might have gotten it wrong, or that on this or that they were right, or more right than we were. It's speaks volumes about us.
 
Julio3000 said:
I think that Obama has been reticent to assert, and make clear that he is asserting, an active leadership role in some foreign policy arenas. I'm hesitant use the same language that his critics from the right are anxious to deploy, but I'm willing to concede that it could be viewed as passive or deliberative to a fault. Those on the left tend to value nuance, but on that stark national platform, an affinity for nuance can appear to be a lack of clarity.

I also think he did the right thing in Syria, and think it is worth noting that reversing course and declining to project (literal) power was actually a courageous decision. On the other hand, he frittered away (or appeared to, anyway) a lot of time that could have probably been used to constructively engage the interested parties.

What else? I'd have to think about it. Mexico?
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I applaud you! You are the man.
 
I think that caricatures of politicians are often unfair, but I also genuinely believe that Sarah Palin is a nitwit. She is—by a country mile—the most comically ill-equipped person to appear on a legitimate presidential ticket in my lifetime, and I question the judgement of anyone who takes her seriously. She's not going to be on my go-to list of people to call when the **** hits the fan because she managed to successfully remember and repeat something that her foreign policy tutor coached her to say.
 
What is she right about? Still don't see it. She was coached onpretty much everything on foreign affairs by McCain's staff. She's trying to soften the blow. She's one of the least educated politicians to ever get close to the presidency. When someone asks me what TV shows I watch I'm going to say all of them. She's clueless then and clueless now. She didn't run in 2012 because her vs. Obama would've been Reagan v dukakis 2.

I'm trying to see your angle here. We should give her credit for something she truly had no idea about 5 years ago? She's very good charismatically Van really get the crowd going.

She's also an idiot for playing politics with Obama now that he's in this crisis. Good for her. She has a brand that makes her money. She attracts the lowest common denominator of people.
 
Julio3000 said:
I think that caricatures of politicians are often unfair, but I also genuinely believe that Sarah Palin is a nitwit. She is—by a country mile—the most comically ill-equipped person to appear on a legitimate presidential ticket in my lifetime, and I question the judgement of anyone who takes her seriously. She's not going to be on my go-to list of people to call when the **** hits the fan because she managed to successfully remember and repeat something that her foreign policy tutor coached her to say.
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Don't make me stop applauding. I agree - nitwit, blah, blah, blah. But on this point?
 
KeithLockhart said:
What is she right about? Still don't see it. She was coached onpretty much everything on foreign affairs by McCain's staff. She's trying to soften the blow. She's one of the least educated politicians to ever get close to the presidency. When someone asks me what TV shows I watch I'm going to say all of them. She's clueless then and clueless now. She didn't run in 2012 because her vs. Obama would've been Reagan v dukakis 2.

I'm trying to see your angle here. We should give her credit for something she truly had no idea about 5 years ago? She's very good charismatically Van really get the crowd going.

She's also an idiot for playing politics with Obama now that he's in this crisis. Good for her. She has a brand that makes her money. She attracts the least common denominator of people.
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I'll give you an "A" for consistency.
 
It's like the right really wants to see Sarah Palin succeed. They sugar coat all of her stupid comments. It's amazing intellectually people think she's smarter than Obama.

Asking someone what newspapers they read is not a gotcha question.
 
BedellBrave said:
I'll give you an "A" for consistency.
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Bedell it's in the campaign books. Their staff spent quite a good time teaching her how to pronounce the President of Georgia's name. They coached her on her answers because she was ignorant and clueless to foreign politics. Don't owe her an apology.
 
I give up. You want us to concede or admit she was right about something she was coached on. Where is the link to the supposed comments that she systematically laid out her foresight of this Ukraine crisis.
 
KeithLockhart said:
Bedell it's in the campaign books. Their staff spent quite a good time teaching her how to pronounce the President of Georgia's name. They coached her on her answers because she was ignorant and clueless to foreign politics. Don't owe her an apology.
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I don't give a ****e. That's beside the point. And I ain't telling you to apologize to her. I am saying be a man. ;-)
 

You watch that and tell me she coherently thought putin would invade Ukraine. They weren't even hard questions.
 
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