Young Pitching Talent in the NL East

IMO, Teheran doesn't take a back seat to anyone.

I wouldn't rule out Julio becoming an ace, but I don't think he has the upside of the others I mentioned. Even on our own team, I think Wood has a bit more upside. More risky too than Julio. In terms of upside in our system my ranking is Cabrera, Wood, Teheran, Minor, Sims, Beachy, Hursh, Medlen. This is not the same as my ranking of which ones I value the most.
 
Congrats, he's talented. But you're high if you think there's an insane talent gap between him and the guys listed. Or you're just a big believer in revisionist history. Or you just prefer your Nats players to other teams players.

Quick comparison from John Sickels:

Hanson is a big guy at 6-6, 210 pounds but he keeps his mechanics in gear most of the time. His fastball is solid at 89-92 MPH, with movement. His curveball is excellent and he's made significant improvements with his changeup. My only real concern here is that he's very much a fly ball pitcher, which could leave him vulnerable to excessive gophers at higher levels.

It's too early to draw comparisons to other pitchers, but if he stays healthy I think Hanson projects as a number three starter. If he can pick up a bit more consistent velocity and maintain his command, he could exceed that. Let's see what happens when he hits Double-A. Does his strikeout rate stay steady? Do the home runs come back? These are the two main questions for me.

4) Lucas Giolito, RHP, Grade B: I have no idea what to do with this grade. A healthy Giolito is a Grade A prospect, but Tommy John recovery is not automatic and we can't assume that Lucas will follow the same path as Jordan Zimmermann and Stephen Strasburg.

Considered the top high school pitching prospect in the 2012 draft by most experts, he hurt his elbow early in the spring but rehabbed the ligament tear without surgery. The injury dropped him from the first few picks of the draft down to 16th overall, where he still earned a $2,925,000 bonus.

Giolito is a 6-6, 225 pound right-hander, born July 14th, 1994. When healthy, he throws 95-99 MPH, mixing the heat with an excellent curveball and impressive changeup. Scouts love his personality and maturity on the mound. He has the stuff and command to be a number one starter, provided that his arm holds up.

Or from others:

Seven months later, stronger and further removed from surgery, Giolito looks every bit the part of an elite pitching prospect, and prospect bible Baseball America tabbed him No. 21 overall . He looks like a small NBA power forward at 6 feet 6, 255 pounds, sports big hands that help him spin the baseball, is still maturing physically and touched 100 late in the season. The Southern California kid with Hollywood roots and a rocket arm is ready for his first full season in the minors.

“He is a can’t-miss,” Schu said. “Only come around once in a while.”

>> Here’s is a sampling of what baseball publications had to say about Giolito. Baseball America ranked Giolito as the 21st best prospect in baseball. Baseball Prospectus had him as high as No. 13. MLB.com slotted him at No. 44. Giolito is aware of the attention surrounding his potential but has tried to tune it out.
“That stuff’s always there,” he said. “It’s in the background. You see it here and there. It’s not something you focus on, because you really have to focus on the important things which are your pitching and where you want to be as an athlete. So it’s always there, but it’s not a main focus.”
Baseball America was optimistic about Giolito’s potential: “No one in the minors “just needs innings” more than Giolito, whose pure stuff may be the best on this list but who has just 39 professional innings after being a 2012 first-round pick. A healthy campaign in a full-season rotation is first and foremost.”
MLB wrote this: “Giolito throws his fastball in the mid- to upper-90s, often reaching 100 mph. He throws a hard, 12-to-6 curveball that is almost as good as his fastball. His changeup isn’t as well developed as his other two pitches, but it has the potential to be a third above-average Major League offering. He has good command and an advanced feel for pitching. If he can stay healthy, Giolito has as much potential as any pitcher in the Minor Leagues.”
But Baseball Prospectus, which pointed out some command issues, was the most laudatory of Giolito’s potential: “On paper, Giolito has the highest ceiling of any arm in the minors, and that list includes Taijuan Walker and Archie Bradley. It’s an almost irresponsible combination of size and stuff, a 6’6’’ power righty who can sit in the mid-upper-90s with a lively fastball and back it up with an unhittable hard curveball that can show intense vertical depth.
“He’s not far removed from Tommy John surgery and the command profile needs refinement, but the 19-year-old arm should dominate at the A-ball level in 2014, and when the Nationals take the governor off the semi in 2015, Giolito should erupt into the premier arm in baseball, if he doesn’t already have claim on that distinction after his full-season debut. This is what it looks like, folks. This is a future no. 1 starter at the major-league level.”
>>> Giolito said he spoke often with Taylor Jordan, another hard-throwing right-hander who underwent Tommy John surgery and overlapped with him in the instructional league in 2012. From talking to Jordan, and from charting pitches and pitch sequences while he rehabbed early last season, Giolito said that he made good use of time away from the mound.
>>> Innings are Giolito’s biggest weakness. He has thrown only 38 2/3 in his professional career, and only 36 2/3 since surgery. Even though he will be capped this season per team policy, a full and healthy year in a minor league rotation is a must for Giolito. His first uncapped season would then likely be in 2015. For all his potential, Giolito still needs the repetitions and consistency to fulfill them.
“We’ve got a lot of work to do and he’s got a lot of work to do,” Scialabba said. “And, potential is one thing but going out there and performing and doing it consistently and building the arm strength is going to take some time.”

MASN’s Byron Kerr has reported that Giolito will begin 2014 in Low-A Hagerstown, insisting in the comments that he’ll be there for Opening Day. History strongly suggests otherwise as previous HS pitchers (A.J. Cole, Robbie Ray) were held back until May, though there is the counter example of Taylor Jordan, who underwent TJ in July 2011, came back to action with Auburn and Hagerstown in the June 2012, and was sent to Potomac in April 2013.(Can we both be wrong and have him debut in Woodbridge in mid-May? ;-)

Giolito features a 80-grade fastball that can hit triple digits from a high arm angle created in part by his 6’6″ frame, though scouts noted he tended to work best when it was around 95 to 97 mph. He also boasts a 12-6 curve (clocked in the 84-86 range) that could reach the 80 mark, but alas his changeup only figures to reach 70 mark, making it merely plus, not plus-plus (for the velo whores, it comes in around 82-83).
 
Off the top of my head playing John Buck over D'Arnaud. Screwing around with Harvey's injury. Letting Wheeler pitch down the stretch last year when there were clear signs of fatigue and/or injury. Signing Granderson

They played Buck because he was hot. And they turned he and Byrd into a few prospects.

As far as Harvey/Wheeler. How would you do anything different? You think you could have prevented Harvey's TJ?

As far as Granderson. It's a crazy overpay but the Mets have tons of free cash and he's not blocking anyone. If he ever does block anyone they can afford to let him go. Mets projected Payroll is like 85 million, the lowest number since 2000. Granderson hardly is a waste for them and if he hits well then they can move him.
 
Congrats he has a glowing review.

So did every player i listed above. You care to deny that they were all BA top 10 prospects? Or you just want to keep talking about how they're soooooo different. I could list tons more pitchers with insane talent who faile dbut figured I'd stop.
 
Giolito is pretty good but fitting GF brings him up.

What about Sims?
 
They should have had Harvey go through surgery right away instead of dicking around.
 
Giolito is pretty good but fitting GF brings him up.

What about Sims?

Neither of them matter since the primary topic was the top end talent that the Mets and Marlins have in the majors. Not the talent the Nats or Braves have in the minors.
 
Giolito is pretty good but fitting GF brings him up.

What about Sims?

This seems pretty accurate:

1) Lucas Sims, RHP, Grade B+. Borderline A-. All the attributes of a future number two starter. I want to see how he handles a larger workload going forward, but that’s nitpicking at this point. Clearly the class of the system. Went 12-4, 2.62 with 134/46 K/BB in 117 innings in Low-A, just 83 hits. Low-to-mid-90s, good curve and change, throws strikes, athletic. Complete package.
 
They should have had Harvey go through surgery right away instead of dicking around.

So he comes back a month or so earlier?

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Mets rotation is good but some people may be over-rating it sans Harvey depending how he comes back from TJ.

Lot of people had Hanson/Jurrjens, and a few others as our future rotation.

Pitching is always hit or miss.

I like the Marlins young rotation a little more: Fernandez/Eovaldi/Turner is a solid top 3, and the guy they got from the Jays is a good BOR pitcher.
 
They should have had Harvey go through surgery right away instead of dicking around.

I brought this up on scout on their board.

I dont know if he got it right away he could return in September though but that was pretty dumb when anyone with a clue about baseball knew he needed TJ to fix his arm.

Rest wont fix it, only TJ would.
 
Feel free to show me where scouts talked about Matusz, Anderson, or Hanson has top of the rotation talent or considered either of them the most talented arm in the minors. I will be waiting.

"I could list tons more pitchers with insane talent who faile dbut figured I'd stop."

Its pretty interesting how much you struggle when following conversations. In other news, Zito claims the sky is blue.
 
You're such a joke it's funny.

It's fine though, when the Nats actually win something you can officially switch your allegiences.
 
Here's all I need to point out.

Tommy Hanson - 2009 4th prospect, 2nd best pitching prospect
ANderson - 2009 7th prospect, 3rd best pitching prospect
Matusz - 2010 5th prospect, 2nd best pitching prospect
Gioloto - 2014 21st prospect, 8th best pitching prospect.

Sure he could grow. Or he could fall. Who really gives a crap. He's not what the topic was about, and he hasn't pitched about low A.
 
How many of these future star-filled rotations have we seen fizzle out over the years? Tons.

Wake me up when they aren't the worst teams in the league, then we'll talk.
 
Here's all I need to point out.

Tommy Hanson - 2009 4th prospect, 2nd best pitching prospect
ANderson - 2009 7th prospect, 3rd best pitching prospect
Matusz - 2010 5th prospect, 2nd best pitching prospect
Gioloto - 2014 21st prospect, 8th best pitching prospect.

Sure he could grow. Or he could fall. Who really gives a crap. He's not what the topic was about, and he hasn't pitched about low A.

In other words, you can't. Thanks for trying.
 
In other words, you can't. Thanks for trying.

In other words I don't care to take the time to fight every silly little point you'll bring up. Fact is those guys were pretty much universally regarded as top 3 pitching prospects in their classes. All rated as TOR starters. Gioloto isn't at that level yet, much less in the majors and succeeding like Harvey or Fernandez. Your insistence in including players from your favorite team is cute.
 
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