Keith Law's farm system rankings

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Dodgers #1, Braves #17, White Sox dead last.

Here's the Braves blurb:

17. Atlanta
Last year: No. 6

Atlanta’s passel of trades at the deadline last year didn’t put much of a dent in its system, as the organization didn’t trade anyone from its top 10 and probably just one player who would have made its top 20. But the fallout from their violations of MLB rules in the international free-agent market has dragged the system down – they lost a second-round draft pick and were unable to participate meaningfully in international free agency for multiple years. There’s still a fair amount of pitching in the system, albeit nothing to compare to what they had three years ago, and enough potential up-the-middle regulars to keep this system around the midpoint in the rankings.
 
Hulavol said:
Michael Harris and Vic Vodnik say “we gonna make this look silly”
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I don't think either of those are anything to be concerned about - if they can get Shewmake back on track, Grissom continues to grow, get Franklin to make more contact, and can make something out of Tavarez and Benitez they'll be just fine.
 
This is roughly where I had the farm pegged, and certainly not as terrible as some of the folks round here were arguing a few months ago. Roughly average. No elite talent currently, but it's pretty deep with mid range guys that could easily sail up the rankings with a big year. Guys like Grissom, Harris, Vodnik, Estes, Strider, Elder, Schuster, Cusick. A lot of people have written of Waters, and I really don't understand why. There's still a lot of talent there and he's only 22.
 
Having a mid-tier farm system after a world series title while having absolute studs on the good side of 30 on the major league club is a GREAT position to be in.
 
Carp said:
This is roughly where I had the farm pegged, and certainly not as terrible as some of the folks round here were arguing a few months ago. Roughly average. No elite talent currently, but it's pretty deep with mid range guys that could easily sail up the rankings with a big year. Guys like Grissom, Harris, Vodnik, Estes, Strider, Elder, Schuster, Cusick. A lot of people have written of Waters, and I really don't understand why. There's still a lot of talent there and he's only 22.
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The only thing I worry about with the current system is that an Olson trade bleeds it completely dry. If Alex has to give up Contreras, Waters, an arm, and Grissom to get him it might not become Bottom 5 immediately, but then you suddenly HAVE TO HAVE Shewmake, Pache, and/or Harris, and possibly Franklin become contributors (if not even 1-2 win guys) within the next couple years because he'll have to extend Dansby and potentially add another starting OF to keep Ozuna from playing defense.
 
clvclv said:
The only thing I worry about with the current system is that an Olson trade bleeds it completely dry. If Alex has to give up Contreras, Waters, an arm, and Grissom to get him it might not become Bottom 5 immediately, but then you suddenly HAVE TO HAVE Shewmake, Pache, and/or Harris, and possibly Franklin become contributors (if not even 1-2 win guys) within the next couple years because he'll have to extend Dansby and potentially add another starting OF to keep Ozuna from playing defense.
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You'd get a top pick for Freeman though and then can get crafty in the draft.
 
thethe said:
You'd get a top pick for Freeman though and then can get crafty in the draft.
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Which "top pick" are you going to get that's going to be MLB-ready in 2023? All the guys I mentioned may be.

Remember that "top pick" is going to be down in the late-30s (at the highest) - name the last position player prospect taken that low that was helping a contender at the MLB level within 2 years of being drafted?
 
clvclv said:
Which "top pick" are you going to get that's going to be MLB-ready in 2023? All the guys I mentioned may be.

Remember that "top pick" is going to be down in the late-30s (at the highest) - name the last position player prospect taken that low that was helping a contender at the MLB level within 2 years of being drafted?
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Its more that you get a bigger signing pool rather than the pick.
 
clvclv said:
Which "top pick" are you going to get that's going to be MLB-ready in 2023? All the guys I mentioned may be.

Remember that "top pick" is going to be down in the late-30s (at the highest) - name the last position player prospect taken that low that was helping a contender at the MLB level within 2 years of being drafted?
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Devine bro
 
clvclv said:
Which "top pick" are you going to get that's going to be MLB-ready in 2023? All the guys I mentioned may be.

Remember that "top pick" is going to be down in the late-30s (at the highest) - name the last position player prospect taken that low that was helping a contender at the MLB level within 2 years of being drafted?
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Harrison Bader and Paul Dejong, from the same draft actually.
 
Carp said:
This is roughly where I had the farm pegged, and certainly not as terrible as some of the folks round here were arguing a few months ago. Roughly average. No elite talent currently, but it's pretty deep with mid range guys that could easily sail up the rankings with a big year. Guys like Grissom, Harris, Vodnik, Estes, Strider, Elder, Schuster, Cusick. A lot of people have written of Waters, and I really don't understand why. There's still a lot of talent there and he's only 22.
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One of the most important and most difficult skills to develop in the professional ranks is the ability to make contact. If you don't have it, chances are great that you're not going to develop it. And Waters doesn't make contact. Kinda like Jordan Schafer. Had every other skill you could ask for, but didn't make enough contact. None of the rest of it matters if you hit .190 and punch out 32% of the time.
 
thethe said:
Having a mid-tier farm system after a world series title while having absolute studs on the good side of 30 on the major league club is a GREAT position to be in.
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Agree.

I think doing a ranking of talent under 25 and under 30 is more interesting. Some of these teams have top prospects older than Albies.

Being mid tier is pretty good given our promotions, draft position and Coppy Penalties.

They just need to bring it back over time and invest more in development.

I do not see why it makes sense to not give FF 1 more year at 30 million and then gut your depth for Olson. 30 million is worth keeping Langeliers, Pache, Muller and Ynoa or whatever it is going to cost.

If we make a big trade I do not want it to be for a 1B with two years. I'd like to get an impact bat at basically any other position with more team control. WE can put a lot of bats at 1B (soler?).
 
Russ2dollas said:
Agree.

I think doing a ranking of talent under 25 and under 30 is more interesting. Some of these teams have top prospects older than Albies.

Being mid tier is pretty good given our promotions, draft position and Coppy Penalties.

They just need to bring it back over time and invest more in development.

I do not see why it makes sense to not give FF 1 more year at 30 million and then gut your depth for Olson. 30 million is worth keeping Langeliers, Pache, Muller and Ynoa or whatever it is going to cost.

If we make a big trade I do not want it to be for a 1B with two years. I'd like to get an impact bat at basically any other position with more team control. WE can put a lot of bats at 1B (soler?).
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As usual, the choice is probably more nuanced than gutting the system vs giving Freeman another year. The As are well known to value mediocre 1-2 win players under control for many years due to their inability to sign FAs like that. The Braves can sign guys like that, so can afford to give up those types of talents.

What else is that depth for if not to improve the MLB team during its championship window? Guys like Muller probably don’t move the needle for a roster as talented as the Braves, but swapping a few of those types for an impact bat does.

If AA can get Olson for a package that doesn’t include Lango or Harris, and that allows payroll room to sign Conforto and someone like Greinke…I hope he pulls the trigger.
 
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