Official 2022 Offseason Moves Thread

clvclv said:
Please provide the rule that keeps him from using club facilities to rehab or the one that keeps him from being part of the clubhouse on occasion.

The Braves have ALWAYS been liberal about who they allow use of the facilities to - Atlanta area players (with or without previous ties to the organization) have trained at the park during the offseason for years. Assuming Jackson's surgery is scheduled right away (within the next two weeks) he won't begin ANY actual rehab activities until June or July - I'm quite sure Alex and company would allow him to use the weight room and facilities as long as he's not interfering with the team's scheduled use of them. He won't begin throwing for a good while, so he wouldn't be in the way there. They can provide him with a badge and allow him to visit the clubhouse any time he likes just like they've done for scores of other former players/Coaches/Managers - I really don't understand how allowing him to hang out with the team would ever be an issue.

The important thing is that they don't *hit him out of any of the money he deserves. Negotiating a Yates-type deal with him is still a long way off at this point - they'll at least want to see him throw from a mound before they come close to entertaining that, and that day won't happen before he's no longer on the roster. If he's throwing off a mound 8-9 months from now, he'll already be a free-agent.
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Lol but there is zero reason to cut him. There are no “hoops to jump through” lol… just one of your typical pointless 3 paragraph rants for no reason. Cheers.
 
clvclv said:
Please provide the rule that keeps him from using club facilities to rehab or the one that keeps him from being part of the clubhouse on occasion.

The Braves have ALWAYS been liberal about who they allow use of the facilities to - Atlanta area players (with or without previous ties to the organization) have trained at the park during the offseason for years. Assuming Jackson's surgery is scheduled right away (within the next two weeks) he won't begin ANY actual rehab activities until June or July - I'm quite sure Alex and company would allow him to use the weight room and facilities as long as he's not interfering with the team's scheduled use of them. He won't begin throwing for a good while, so he wouldn't be in the way there. They can provide him with a badge and allow him to visit the clubhouse any time he likes just like they've done for scores of other former players/Coaches/Managers - I really don't understand how allowing him to hang out with the team would ever be an issue.

The important thing is that they don't *hit him out of any of the money he deserves. Negotiating a Yates-type deal with him is still a long way off at this point - they'll at least want to see him throw from a mound before they come close to entertaining that, and that day won't happen before he's no longer on the roster. If he's throwing off a mound 8-9 months from now, he'll already be a free-agent.
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The liability related to all of things (using training facilities, being in and out of the clubhouse, etc) seems fairly significant. You literally gain nothing from releasing him, but you do run the risk of pissing off players (including Jackson). Keeping him in the 60 day DL also doesn't affect us in any way.
 
Carp said:
The liability related to all of things (using training facilities, being in and out of the clubhouse, etc) seems fairly significant. You literally gain nothing from releasing him, but you do run the risk of pissing off players (including Jackson). Keeping him in the 60 day DL also doesn't affect us in any way.
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It’s really not difficult to understand. Signing a piece of paper I guess to put a guy on the 60 day IL is “jumping through hoops.” I also seriously doubt it’s as easy for random athletes to work/train in the Braves facilities as he thinks. Also why would Luke even want to after the team just dumped him?
 
I think someone forgot that Luke’s deal was already guaranteed, and therefor cutting him before ST doesn’t save the club any cash. Had he not settled his arb salary yet, it may have made sense to cut him loose. Chalk another one up to taking the cash now rather than fighting for another $100k.

He will simply be put on the 60 day DL, and that’s already happened. It is literally what happens to every single player currently under contract.

Luke is currently controlled for another arb season in 2023, and will then be a FA before the 2024 season. The decision with him will be to simply tender him a contract paying him a little under $2M for 2023, or sign him to a 1 year deal with another cheap option year for 2024. If his progress late this season isn’t looking good, he will be non-tendered this off-season
 
Enscheff said:
I think someone forgot that Luke’s deal was already guaranteed, and therefor cutting him before ST doesn’t save the club any cash. Had he not settled his arb salary yet, it may have made sense to cut him loose. Chalk another one up to taking the cash now rather than fighting for another $100k.

He will simply be put on the 60 day DL, and that’s already happened. It is literally what happens to every single player currently under contract.

Luke is currently controlled for another arb season in 2023, and will then be a FA before the 2024 season. The decision with him will be to simply tender him a contract paying him a little under $2M for 2023, or sign him to a 1 year deal with another cheap option year for 2024. If his progress late this season isn’t looking good, he will be non-tendered this off-season
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Fangraphs and Spotrac say he’s a free agent after this season.
 
Enscheff said:
Seems to be true, then he will likely get a 1+1 deal with someone. Either way he gets to rehab all year with the Braves
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Agree. That's why back a ways I said maybe he gets a Yates deal. I think Yates is 1 million this year, 6 million the next and an option for 6. I don't think LJ is as good as Yates but I think 1/5 with an option year would be a reasonable risk. I don't think LJ is in line for big money if healthy unless there is a bad team who wants him as a closer for 3/15 or something like that.
 
clvclv said:
Please provide the rule that keeps him from using club facilities to rehab or the one that keeps him from being part of the clubhouse on occasion.

The Braves have ALWAYS been liberal about who they allow use of the facilities to - Atlanta area players (with or without previous ties to the organization) have trained at the park during the offseason for years. Assuming Jackson's surgery is scheduled right away (within the next two weeks) he won't begin ANY actual rehab activities until June or July - I'm quite sure Alex and company would allow him to use the weight room and facilities as long as he's not interfering with the team's scheduled use of them. He won't begin throwing for a good while, so he wouldn't be in the way there. They can provide him with a badge and allow him to visit the clubhouse any time he likes just like they've done for scores of other former players/Coaches/Managers - I really don't understand how allowing him to hang out with the team would ever be an issue.

The important thing is that they don't *hit him out of any of the money he deserves. Negotiating a Yates-type deal with him is still a long way off at this point - they'll at least want to see him throw from a mound before they come close to entertaining that, and that day won't happen before he's no longer on the roster. If he's throwing off a mound 8-9 months from now, he'll already be a free-agent.
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What you are suggesting sounds harder than putting him on the 60 day DL.

Jackson will one day want to accrue 10 years of service time so he can qualify for the MLB pension. I’m not entirely sure how that accounting works if he were to be released. This is just one of many factors that come into play when you are no longer employed, including healthcare (who is paying for his rehab if the Braves release him?).

There is literally zero benefit for the Braves to release Luke.
 
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