Ukraine

Indeed.

A fun reminder that liberals used to have principles before Trump broke them.

I'd love to hear from sav, zito, particularly Goldy on why their opinions changed on this topic so rapidly outside of being programmed to not be aligned with Trump
 
This was my brain on BBC thinking that they were honest news.

What a shame but glad I learned more about how the world works.

Still think Putin is a tyrant but the people running the west are just as bad.
 
thethe said:
This was my brain on BBC thinking that they were honest news.

What a shame but glad I learned more about how the world works.

Still think Putin is a tyrant but the people running the west are just as bad.
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now you have much better sources of news and information...makes a yuge difference!
 
nsacpi said:
I think you make a good point here thethe. Which was Obama's response was very mild. Insufficient to put it charitably.
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Obama was the worst foreign president that we have had in a century. I don't consider Biden to be the real president but simply OBamas third term.
 
thethe said:
So them invading Ukraine is tolerable? You have to react to this.
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I'm glad to see that you would were advocating a much stronger response to deter such aggression.

Also noteworthy, back then you were not disseminating Kremlin talking points.
 
nsacpi said:
I'm glad to see that you would were advocating a much stronger response to deter such aggression.

Also noteworthy, back then you were not disseminating Kremlin talking points.
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Back then we didn't know that the US led the coup to overthrow the will of the Eastern Ukrainian people.

Things change when you learn.

Do you believe the truth is a Kremlin talking point? Thats an interesting position to take.
 
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thethe said:
Doing nothing is a dangerous proposition as well. Russia and their best friend China are takling right now thinking Europe/US are weak. They want to be the big boys on the block and it only takes one dangerous/charasmatic man to pull China into a conflict.
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Cogent and lucid.
 
nsacpi said:
I'm glad you are now receiving your news and information from an upgraded set of sources.
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Yes - I have learned how to filter out propaganda from state TV like BBC/Fox/MSNBC/etc....

You have yet to learn that in your advanced years.

Just remember - Your own people said that there would be no war if Trump was rightfully president. Which would lead a rational person to say this war is just as much the monsters running the west right now as the tyrant in Russia.
 
nsacpi said:
Cogent and lucid.
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And our actions just happened to pull Russia and the CCP closer together.

Funny how that works and how being allies with Putin would have been the best course of action.

How many more things can the idiots running the West get wrong?
 
nsacpi said:
The contrast between the 2014 thethe and the current version makes me a little sad.
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Yeah - The younger version of me was an idiot when it comes to understanding global politics.

The news is very convincing and is designed to amplify Deza.
 
There would be no war if Trump was president.

Just assimilate that into your programming nsacpi and deal with the fact its your foolish ideology that is allowing the world to burn.
 
2014 thethe didn't have the time of the day for the likes of poso, cerno, Alex Jones.

Now he goes around parroting them.

The decline is sad to witness.
 
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