REAL Russia collusion thread (A critical thinkers realty)

[nsacpi]

Well, we all know who approved the Alfa Bank story so good job for Durham. I would love your expert analysis on why a lawyer who works for Clinton who lied about that is somehow immaterial in a case that involves a former presidential rival, hmm?

It was immaterial to the FBI's investigation. He shared some information. They decided what to do with it. Seems pretty straightforward. Btw the Clinton campaign tried to dissuade him from going to the FBI with this info. Small detail. When your client tells you not to do something and you do it I don't see how that is acting on behalf of the client. He was acting on his own.

 

[Garmel]

It was immaterial to the FBI's investigation. He shared some information. They decided what to do with it. Seems pretty straightforward. Btw the Clinton campaign tried to dissuade him from going to the FBI with this info. Small detail. When your client tells you not to do something and you do it I don't see how that is acting on behalf of the client. He was acting on his own.

I heard that before. Where was it mentioned he was told not to do this when it's been claimed in court that she approved the whole thing?

 

[nsacpi]

A few points from Sussman's lawyer. He obviously is not neutral but the points are worth considering:

His lawyer, Michael Bosworth, argued that all Sussmann wanted to do was get information to the press about Trump's ties to Russia. Once a major outlet was ready to publish the material, Sussmann wanted "to help the FBI" and warn them that a story was coming, Bosworth said.

"The meeting with the FBI is the exact opposite of what the Clinton campaign would've wanted," Bosworth said, explaining that the FBI quashed the news story after learning about it from Sussmann. "The FBI meeting is something they didn't authorize, they didn't direct him to do, and they didn't want him to do."

Bosworth lambasted Durham's central theory of the case, telling jurors it is "nonsensical" that Sussmann was trying to conceal his ties to the Clinton campaign. For one, Sussmann's partisan ties were well-known to the FBI at the time, largely because he was the Democratic National Committee's lawyer after they were hacked by the Russians in 2016.

"His partisan affiliations, they were out and about, loud and clear for everyone to see," Bosworth said, as he displayed some of Sussmann's emails to the FBI in his role as the DNC's lawyer.

Bosworth added: "If he was trying to dupe the FBI, why give them the data that they could evaluate for themselves? ... He had a genuine interest in national security and doing the right thing."

 

[nsacpi]

Durham might have had a case if the Clinton campaign used a cutout to approach the FBI. But Sussman was well known for his partisan affiliations.

 

[Garmel]

Durham might have had a case if the Clinton campaign used a cutout to approach the FBI. But Sussman was well known for his partisan affiliations.

If this was true he wouldn't have tried to pull the neutral party thing now, would he? He tried to make himself look to be a neutral 3rd party when he wasn't. Sorry, this story by the defense lawyers is bull**** because it doesn't make sense.

 

[nsacpi]

Anyhow both the jury and judge appear to have concluded that the lack of materiality regarding any "lies" Sussman might be told doomed Durham's case. And they have spent more time going over the law and evidence than any of us.

Btw I think a special prosecutor should be appointed to investigate whether Durham's appointment and subsequent actions were properly predicated and free of political taint.

 

[Garmel]

Anyhow both the jury and judge appear to have concluded that the lack of materiality regarding any "lies" Sussman might be told doomed Durham's case. And they have spent more time going over the law and evidence than any of us.

Btw I think a special prosecutor should be appointed to investigate whether Durham's appointment and subsequent actions were properly predicated and free of political taint.

Just like the Clinesmith case this is typical DC in action as I've been telling you for months even before this went down. We have direct evidence that Sussman was passing himself as a pollical neutral when he wasn't. Sorry, the "lack the materiality" excuse is utter bull****.

The fact that it came out Clinton herself is behind Alfa Bank tells you Durham is over target and it has zero to do with political taint. I guess when she walks after being behind both the Alfa Bank fraud and the Russian Collusion Dossier fraud you'll somehow justify it like you're doing here.

 

[Tapate50]

So you are saying he didn’t have a case but he definitely Was lying to the fbi or he was bringing them info he thought was good?

 

[nsacpi]

So you are saying he didn’t have a case but he definitely Was lying to the fbi or he was bringing them info he thought was good?

Nice try. That's why I put the word lies in quotes. But I'm glad to see y'all taking such a strong stance again lyin'.

 

[cajunrevenge]

Trump was not guilty of either inciting the mob nor was he trying to do a quid pro quo with Zelensky. The transcripts prove both impeachments attempts were crap. Show me where he broke any law.

The case was about whether Sussman lied or not and it is material because the judge let it be tried. Sussman worked for Clinton so he did have a dog in the fight. He lied. Remember those convictions you were cheering on in the Russian Collusion cases? Many of them were convicted for lying to the FBI, just like Sussman here. Big difference is that Durham didn't do any shakedowns like Mueller's team did.

Give it up, man. You believe anything the MSM tells you what to think. You used to be more reasonable in the past but not any more.

The biggest thing to come out of the trial was that it was established that Clinton approved of the Alfa Bank fraud being released. Proof that Durham is hardly a biased prosecutor playing politics but one that got the truth out to the public.

- if you want to argue whether Trump was guilty in the impeachments. If you want to argue that bring it up in another thread. My point which you attempted to derail into rehashing old arguments was that if you dont think this was an exoneration of Sussman then you have to agree that the impeachment verdict wasn't an exoneration because there wasnt an impartial jury. Quite literally jurors were working with the defense. Since your logic comes and goes depending on what suits your team let me explain it this way. If Republicans retake Congress and impeach Biden and all Democrats vote not guilty and all Republicans vote guilty this failing to convict, would you consider that an exoneration of the accusation? Of course not you will be here crying about how it wasnt a fair jury.




- the case is about whether Sussman lied about being there on behalf of the Clinton campaign. He is not charged with lying about Alfa bank. Even biased Durham knew that wouldn't even pass a sniff test because Sussman didnt tell the FBI he had indisupitable proof of connections between Trump and Alfa bank. He told them he believed the data showed a back channel between Alfa bank and Trump and that they should look into it. Whether you think that was some conspiracy and he knew it was false does not matter unless someone can find a shred of evidence of it. And Heisenberg, I mean Durham couldnt find any after looking for 3 years. Why don't I think he waited until the statute of limitations was about to run out? If he thought he has a good case he would have charged him much earlier.



- do you know what the difference is between Sussman and the people like Flynn? Well other than the fact they pleaded guilty multiple times. Sussman demanded a trial ASAP where as people like Flynn kept stalling.



- you know what else I remember from those convictions for lying to the FBI? Little thethe ranting and raving about how lying to the FBI isnt a real or serious crime. I believe he called it a process crime. But yeah, I am sure Durham, the paragon of virtue, didnt try to "shakedown" anyone. After all these years of short bus people saying Mueller was a walking corpse who barely knew where he was now he is a mastermind strongarming people into confessing their guilt. Sure thing buddy.



- if you want to accuse me of believing anything the MSM says then I suggest you get Trumps balls or your mouth first. You dont even know what media I watch. Unlike the mental midgets on your team I enjoy watching news from both sides. You must get me confused with MAGA tards who foam at the mouth when they see media not reporting what they want to hear.



- yes, Clinton did approve telling the media about the Alfa bank stuff. If you think that's a big deal you must have literally been born yesterday. You have to be a special kind of stupid to think to not know that has done on longer than anyone here has been alive and Republicans and specifically Trump are no saints in this regard.

 

[cajunrevenge]

There are few things as rich as the short bus people who actually believe Trumps election BS trying to insult others as believing anything or that they think the Trump campaign hasn't coordinated with media to spread stories about the opposition that are either outright lies or for which they have no real evidence. Takes a special kind of stupid there.

 

[cajunrevenge]

Durham might have had a case if the Clinton campaign used a cutout to approach the FBI. But Sussman was well known for his partisan affiliations.

That is a good point. The short bus people also claim the FBI was spying on the Hillary campaign and knew that she personally ordered Sussman to tell that to the FBI. They also claim the FBI was in on it, so why would Sussman need to lie to get a meeting of the FBI was a part of the whole alleged conspiracy from the beginning.

 

[Garmel]

"yes, Clinton did approve telling the media about the Alfa bank stuff. If you think that's a big deal you must have literally been born yesterday"

Releasing a major lie is no big deal like the Russian dossier lie she backed is no big deal either. And you have the nerve to call others short bus people.

 

[cajunrevenge]

Have you missed the last 2 years of fake and misleading BS Trump has been pushing?

 

[Garmel]

Have you missed the last 2 years of fake and misleading BS Trump has been pushing?

Trump is actually correct but I don't expect the clowns who've been wrong on every topic over the last 5 years to understand that. Btw, how's your boy Avenatti doing ?

Are you done playing games of misdirection or do you want to get back to the topic at hand?

Hillary has went after Trump with two different fraudulent schemes. That's not conjecture, that is fact.

 

[cajunrevenge]

Your head is so far up your ass that you cant even recall these predictions you claim I got wrong. Go ahead and list some. Odds are 9 out of 10 will be BS you have to make up. So go ahead, tell me what I got wrong, then I will go get the receipts. I already did this once before but with you short bus people you just circle back to the same BS every 3 months.

 

[Garmel]

Your head is so far up your ass that you cant even recall these predictions you claim I got wrong. Go ahead and list some. Odds are 9 out of 10 will be BS you have to make up. So go ahead, tell me what I got wrong, then I will go get the receipts. I already did this once before but with you short bus people you just circle back to the same BS every 3 months.

What's the point? I can show you proof but all you will do is play misdirection games if I do.

 

[cajunrevenge]

my misdirection games is me mocking what your team does. You want different standards for each side and I wont allow you to do so without me calling out your BS. You want to associate me with the left because I dont drink the Trump kool aide but my side is lucky to get 5% of the vote. Your sides BS just happens to be overwhelming the BS from the left.

 

[Garmel]

lol

 

[cajunrevenge]

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Jail time coming.

No justice till Obama and Hillary are charged with crimes against the state.

"Where do you want me to move these goalposts sir?"

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Cajun left at a convenient time.

You leftists are all so dumb.

Where you at Cajun?

When does every single agent on that special counsel get questioned?

When does Obama get questioned?

Biden better start handing out some pardons.

https://justthenews.com/accountabil...mbshell-fbi-text-message-shows-clinton-lawyer

Cajun doesn't seem to want to come back.

Aside from hoping that his health is fine I think we know the reason he won't be posting much in the future.

Whoops - When do the real charges get dropped now?

Lololololololololol. How did this all turn out for you? Lololololol. Good thing you werent willing to take that avatar bet.