GDT 6/28/22: Braves @ Philthies - Snits on Drugs

Perhaps Matt Olson is starting to feel more comfortable realizing that between he and FF, he's the lucky one. And FF knows it.
 
Mad Dog Murph said:
ender up in the 9 max with 2 outs and bases load. Braves about to be 4 back
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Would be 3 if we didnt blow that game on Sunday, smh. But games like that happen over 162 unfortunately. Need to win today with Thursday's game heavily in Philly's favor.
 
bravesfanMatt said:
Only wild card is Jacob and max coming back as themselves. They become really good then.
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Even with those additions the Braves are a potential juggernaut. Fully healthy the offense/starting pitching is absurdly good. Bullpen is still a plus and with Harris now in CF the defense is plus.
 
thethe said:
Braves are going to win the division by more than 3 games.
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Division will most likely come down to the head to head battles. Mets get DeGrom and Scherzer back as well. I know we're missing some players as well.
 
Heyward said:
Division will most likely come down to the head to head battles. Mets get DeGrom and Scherzer back as well. I know we're missing some players as well.
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Everytime deGrom "comes back" its for like 2 starts and then he's back down. His arm has some major issue methinks... ticking time bomb. And Scherzer is almost 38 and is showing wear and tear... its nowhere near a slam dunk.
 
zbhargrove said:
Everytime deGrom "comes back" its for like 2 starts and then he's back down. His arm has some major issue methinks... ticking time bomb. And Scherzer is almost 38 and is showing wear and tear... its nowhere near a slam dunk.
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I never said it's a slam dunk but it's still DeGrom and Scherzer. Scherzer comes back next week, so shall see how he looks then.
 
I do wonder, like zb said, how effective Max will be when he comes back. He already had a meh rehab start that resulted in his next start being pushed back one day for no reasons given. I think he goes today, so we will see how that goes. Jacob is still just 'working' out with team, so no time table for his return yet.
 
Scherzer may be one of the three best pitchers of his generation, but he's still a human being. If you were watching in the playoffs in '19 and then again in '21, he was pretty well shredded both times. His tires were bald at the end of those years. He was 36 years old and they rode him like a rented mule.

As for DeGrom, I think Verlander said it best (not talking specifically about DeGrom) when he said, "there are a lot of guys throwing 100 who shouldn't be throwing 100. Their bodies aren't made to handle it." DeGrom got five good years out of pushing his physiology beyond what anyone with his build could possibly do.

Scherzer and DeGrom won't end because they become ineffective. They'll be hurt so much it doesn't make sense to try and continue.

On a related note, anybody notice Zack Wheeler was down a few klicks last night? 94-96 instead of 97-99?
 
zbhargrove said:
Everytime deGrom "comes back" its for like 2 starts and then he's back down. His arm has some major issue methinks... ticking time bomb. And Scherzer is almost 38 and is showing wear and tear... its nowhere near a slam dunk.
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I'd say the odds of both Max and DeGrom coming back and being their old selves are about the same as Soroka and Yates being a solid #2 and a lockdown bullpen arm down the stretch.

One or the other might happen for either side. Highly unlikely it's both.
 
DirkPiggler said:
I'd say the odds of both Max and DeGrom coming back and being their old selves are about the same as Soroka and Yates being a solid #2 and a lockdown bullpen arm down the stretch.

One or the other might happen for either side. Highly unlikely it's both.
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Yeah, I'm certainly not expecting much from Soroka or Yates either... for Soroka, its a major injury twice that has almost zero precedent for coming back from (the zero precedent being that it happened twice) and for Yates, its his second TJS which doesn't have a great success rate.
 
GovClintonTyree said:
Scherzer may be one of the three best pitchers of his generation, but he's still a human being. If you were watching in the playoffs in '19 and then again in '21, he was pretty well shredded both times. His tires were bald at the end of those years. He was 36 years old and they rode him like a rented mule.

As for DeGrom, I think Verlander said it best (not talking specifically about DeGrom) when he said, "there are a lot of guys throwing 100 who shouldn't be throwing 100. Their bodies aren't made to handle it." DeGrom got five good years out of pushing his physiology beyond what anyone with his build could possibly do.

Scherzer and DeGrom won't end because they become ineffective. They'll be hurt so much it doesn't make sense to try and continue.

On a related note, anybody notice Zack Wheeler was down a few klicks last night? 94-96 instead of 97-99?
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DeGrom has increased his velocity every season since 2016 (when he was 29). He basically went from averaging 94-95 to averaging 99 last year. Over a period of years where pitchers generally see their velocities start to decline, DeGrom saw his steadily increase. That has really helped his production but the human body isn't meant to do that. He's 34 now and has struggled to stay on the mound the last two years. The Mets should be happy with any innings he can give them at this point.
 
Degrom was a converted SS so the belief has been that he doesn’t have as many miles as a typical pitcher of his age.
 
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