Riley gets monster extension

[Nerfherders]

I'm curious how the whole Braves complex works out financially for them - The outdoor walk, the hotel, etc. Are they still paying the construction off. or are they already reaping profits from those assets?

 

[bravesfanforlife88]

Fried or sign Correa/Turner.

Honestly looks more realistic than previously thought.

Keep in mind that Swanson, Smith, and Jansens contracts will be off the books. They were saying on the radio, Braves have around $125m committed to next season. Haven’t looked at the numbers yet, but you’d have to imagine the Braves payroll getting another bump with all the sell outs this season

 

[Heyward]

Rather let Bae walk. Get an extra pick in the process. I don't trust her can repeat this year, and I don't want to pay pre-2022 Dansby 15+ million for 7 years or more.

Who you replacing him with? You'd have to sign a legit SS or be sold on Grissom. And aside from Judge, the OF market is ****.

 

[Dunit24]

Interesting timing.



It has me excitedly nervous.

Same here. As much as I love seeing our core guys locked up for so long, long term deals are always so risky.

Saying that, having Acuna, Albies, Olson, Riley, Harris, Contreras locked up for years to come is so darn exciting.

 

[jpx7]

Rather let Bae walk. Get an extra pick in the process. I don't trust her can repeat this year, and I don't want to pay pre-2022 Dansby 15+ million for 7 years or more.

Even though I'm in favor of an eventual International Player Draft, it was actually a nice benefit to the Braves that it wasn't agreed upon this season, since the QO system remains in place and the Braves can net another comp pick if Bae walks.

Wouldn't be surprised to see Anthopoulos try to trade for another Competitive Balance pick next year, if that happens, and take another spin at dramatically restocking the system with an enlarged bonus pool.

 

[chop2chip]

Top 5 payroll is basically Philadelphia / San Diego territory which right at the luxury tax threshold

 

[VirginiaBrave]

Yeah, I would get Max done next, then redo Ozzie, then Dansby. But something tells me Dans has LA as a fallback depending on what they do with Turner and whether the Braves are serious about keeping Swanson.

 

[Enscheff]

Bowman tweeted the Braves believe they could be a Top 5 payroll team soon.

Hello Fried AND Dansby extensions.

Time to get Grissom an outfielder's glove.

The Braves payroll ranking has long been tied almost directly to their attendance ranking. They are currently 4th in attendance, so I'm totally buying the idea they could be a team that bumps into the luxury tax threshold.

It will be odd having to consider luxury tax levels when we rosterbate...

 

[Heyward]

Honestly looks more realistic than previously thought.

Keep in mind that Swanson, Smith, and Jansens contracts will be off the books. They were saying on the radio, Braves have around $125m committed to next season. Haven’t looked at the numbers yet, but you’d have to imagine the Braves payroll getting another bump with all the sell outs this season

142 per spotrac, decline Morton/Smith's option, you're at 109. Fried, Minter, Soroka, Matzek only arb-eligible players. So a slight bump to 130ish and you'd have a decent amount to play with mostly needing BP depth, a SS, an OF'er, and a SP. Fried's probably the only one who would make that much of those players.

 

[Enscheff]

Same here. As much as I love seeing our core guys locked up for so long, long term deals are always so risky.

Saying that, having Acuna, Albies, Olson, Riley, Harris, Contreras locked up for years to come is so darn exciting.

It's only exciting if they don't decline. Locking up a core to huge money and then having them lose productivity is exactly how contention windows slam shut.

 

[chop2chip]

The Braves payroll ranking has long been tied almost directly to their attendance ranking. They are currently 4th in attendance, so I'm totally buying the idea they could be a team that bumps into the luxury tax threshold.

It will be odd having to consider luxury tax levels when we rosterbate...

Braves TV deal is set to expire in 2027 which could be a huge source of incremental revenue.

The Braves currently receive slightly more than $80 million per year from Sinclair Broadcast Group’s Bally Sports for local TV rights, but that will surpass $100 million in 2023 and approach $120 million in 2027, the final season of the Braves’ 20-year TV contract.

 

[CrimsonCowboy]

So Acuna, Albies, Olson, and Riley all signed through their prime years. I can live with that.

 

[Enscheff]

Braves TV deal is set to expire in 2027 which could be a huge source of incremental revenue.

Adding a Fried extension now makes a little more sense. All these locked in contracts have already made the Braves future very volatile since they are locked in to expensive deals in almost all spots on the roster, with SS likely to be expensive very soon as well. Either the bulk of these guys age gracefully, or there will be so much dead money on the books they will have to blow it up anyways.

So if those are the options adding another long term deal won't really change much....there's already almost zero flexibility in the future payroll to deal with injury/decline as is. We will see AA struggling to patch up the holes on the roster with little payroll room as this expensive core ages but still costs a lot. This is a very typical competitive cycle set in motion now.

 

[Heyward]

Adding a Fried extension now makes a little more sense. All these locked in contracts have already made the Braves future very volatile since they are locked in to expensive deals in almost all spots on the roster, with SS likely to be expensive very soon as well. Either the bulk of these guys age gracefully, or there will be so much dead money on the books they will have to blow it up anyways. So if those are the options adding another long term deal won't really change much....there's already almost zero flexibility in the future payroll to deal with injury/decline as is.

What's your guess on what a Fried extension would look like? 5/100? 5/110-120? Probably wouldnt want to go past his age 34 season. With all these long-term deals, we probably have no choice but to pay Max if he'd accept and sign a big-time SS whether it's Dansby or someone else. Already all-in as it is.

 

[Enscheff]

What's your guess on what a Fried extension would look like? 5/100? 5/110-120? Probably wouldnt want to go past his age 34 season. With all these long-term deals, we probably have no choice but to pay Max if he'd accept and sign a big-time SS whether it's Dansby or someone else. Already all-in as it is.

A Fried extension starts with about $25M to cover his 2 remaining arb years. Musgrove just got 5/100, and Fried is better, so tack something like 5/125 on top of the 2/25 to get something like 7/150.

I mean, at this point, why not? The whole core is going to be aging and expensive soon, so if the whole franchise now rides on how well the core ages they may as well extend it even more. If they have to blow things up 5 years from now due to zero payroll flexibility it won't matter if Fried is being paid $25M to be a 1 win guy.

 

[chop2chip]

What's your guess on what a Fried extension would look like? 5/100? 5/110-120? Probably wouldnt want to go past his age 34 season. With all these long-term deals, we probably have no choice but to pay Max if he'd accept and sign a big-time SS whether it's Dansby or someone else. Already all-in as it is.

Musgrove would have become a FA the same year Fried would. I like Fried more than Musgrove but they are probably within the same band. So if Musgrove got 5/100, Fried should get 5/110? If the Braves bought out his last two arbitration years, that’s probably ~7/125.

 

[Carp]

Who you replacing him with? You'd have to sign a legit SS or be sold on Grissom. And aside from Judge, the OF market is ****.

Ideally, Correa or Turner. Maybe Bogaerts depending on the length. If not, I'm fine Iglesias for a year or so until we know if Grissom is the real deal.

Regardless, Bae has barely been a ~2 win annual player over his career. We should not be gambling that his 2022 season is legit.

 

[Heyward]

Ideally, Correa or Turner. Maybe Bogaerts depending on the length. If not, I'm fine Iglesias for a year or so until we know if Grissom is the real deal.

Regardless, Bae has barely been a ~2 win annual player over his career. We should not be gambling that his 2022 season is legit.

Our roster is already expensive as hell as it is, we probably have no choice but to pay Dansby or a top tier SS. Dont need to be going cheap at SS. Dansby deal depends on the years, 5/100 would be okay, i dont know if he'd take that though. But you are right, it is hard to say if this is Dansby or he's just hitting out of his ass right now. I'd love Correa or Turner, they'd cost way more than Dansby will though.

 

[Russ2dollas]

I’m not going to defend albies and acuna deals totally but they are different. Both of. Those deals were designed to get the guy guaranteed money and money upfront and still have them hit free agency before 30. Albies hitting has not been consistent.

The Olson and Riley deals have the teams locking them up for all of their desirable years unless they are in the 1 percent of players.

 

[Heyward]

Musgrove would have become a FA the same year Fried would. I like Fried more than Musgrove but they are probably within the same band. So if Musgrove got 5/100, Fried should get 5/110? If the Braves bought out his last two arbitration years, that’s probably ~7/125.

Not true with Musgrove, this is the last year of his control. Something around 6/120 would be alright.