2022 Trade Deadline

thethe said:
Speculation on Acuna's mood is just that...speculation.

Nobody knows how he feels and he could be thrilled that he is getting paid a bunch and playing for a winning team. I doubt these guys are having Dick measuring contests in the locker room with their bank statements out.
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Agreed... I'm getting annoyed with all the speculation... good way to invent a problem
 
He’s not even playing up to his current ‘under value’ contract. Until he gets back to his previous level of play, he can deal with it. Hopefully he snaps out of it before seasons end.
 
I have to think that the front office has some metrics on Iglesias they really like. He's having a good year but considering his age and his regression, traditional wisdom wouldn't want to put us on the hook for the rest of his contract. So I have to think the front office knows something we don't and expects Iglesias to improve back to elite levels.
 
Im just curious if anyone else happened to see the ESPN conversation I mentioned. Again I tuned in in the middle of the discussion but I got the opinion that the Latino guy was trending that Swanson getting the big money meant he would be moving on. The Acuna point they seemed to make to me at least was there was some angst involved team wise.
 
He is coming off a pretty serious injury, so I wouldn't speculate anything other than struggles from that.. but the dogging and in case of yesterday, not even running after a play of defense. That seems to be mental.. not injury related. Maybe the team told him to throttle it down in the field and he is trying to find the balance of his 100% and what they want.... that is speculation of course.
 
Enscheff said:
Last years deadline was master class considering the position the team was in.

This year was barely above average, mostly due to flipping Smith into a useful SP which was a terrific move.

We will see how happy folks are with the Grossman/Rosario platoon 2 months from now, and the Iglesias contract 2 years from now.

I predicted the Smith deal would be bad, and I predicted the Braves would be shopping for a SP and OF help at this deadline. I also predicted aa Riley extension would be roughly $200M. Now I guess we see how these predictions play out.
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I didn't think it was a master class when he did it. I thought he'd picked up a pu-pu platter of underperforming, buy-low outfielders and hoped to hit on a couple. While I'm sure he looked for a 4 of a kind outcome, the fact that he got one was hard to predict.

This year I'm underwhelmed with Adrianza and Grossman to fill some short side needs. But Adrianza was very effective with a tomahawk on his chest last year and Grossman has never had a problem hitting lefties, which is what we're asking him to do.

AA's love affair with expensive middle age relievers is something I find...curious, but as South Cack says, he clearly values back of the bullpen arms and will spend money on consistently successful ones, even if long in the tooth.
 
striker42 said:
I have to think that the front office has some metrics on Iglesias they really like. He's having a good year but considering his age and his regression, traditional wisdom wouldn't want to put us on the hook for the rest of his contract. So I have to think the front office knows something we don't and expects Iglesias to improve back to elite levels.
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I mean, he's still striking out over 12 per 9 and walking less than 3 per 9. His xERA, FIP, and xFIP are all well below his actual ERA. His fastball velocity is down to 95.3 mph from 96.4 last year. However, his average velocity for his career is 95.4 mph and he had plenty of success in that mph range.
 
We see it every postseason and somehow fans forget once the calendar turns on the new season. You can't have enough high leverage relief arms and if you don't have them you virtually have no chance in the playoffs.

We all know relief pitching is what was the biggest downfall during the 90's despite having some good pens (statistically).
 
zbhargrove said:
I mean, he's still striking out over 12 per 9 and walking less than 3 per 9. His xERA, FIP, and xFIP are all well below his actual ERA. His fastball velocity is down to 95.3 mph from 96.4 last year. However, his average velocity for his career is 95.4 mph and he had plenty of success in that mph range.
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My only concerns is the contact % increase this year. Is his stuff losing some crispness or is it natural to just not care as much for the Angels. It will be interesting to see what happens when he gets a few innings under his belt with the Braves.
 
PawPawMaxwell said:
Im just curious if anyone else happened to see the ESPN conversation I mentioned. Again I tuned in in the middle of the discussion but I got the opinion that the Latino guy was trending that Swanson getting the big money meant he would be moving on. The Acuna point they seemed to make to me at least was there was some angst involved team wise.
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I didn't see it, but anybody who is thinking the Braves wouldn't be able to pay Swanson is working with outmoded information. Whether they would want to pay Swanson was a difficult question, and still is - if the current Swanson plays at this level for 3-4 years, that's worth a **** ton of money but there's a lot more history saying he's good, not great, than there is saying he's a top three SS.

I think when it's over and done our best play is to pay Swanson as a star rather than Trea Turner or Correa as a full blown, Seager-level, $300M superstar. Maybe 6-120M or 7-140M, something like that. But I suppose somebody might see Swanson as one of those guys now. He's not, but he's mighty good.
 
GovClintonTyree said:
I didn't see it, but anybody who is thinking the Braves wouldn't be able to pay Swanson is working with outmoded information. Whether they would want to pay Swanson was a difficult question, and still is - if the current Swanson plays at this level for 3-4 years, that's worth a **** ton of money but there's a lot more history saying he's good, not great, than there is saying he's a top three SS.

I think when it's over and done our best play is to pay Swanson as a star rather than Trea Turner or Correa as a full blown, Seager-level, $300M superstar. Maybe 6-120M or 7-140M, something like that. But I suppose somebody might see Swanson as one of those guys now. He's not, but he's mighty good.
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The Swanson situation is tricky. We're set at C, 1B, 2B, 3B, CF and wherever Acuna is. Need a DH and another OF'er plus a SS. Probably stuck with Ozuna for another year at least before he's on an expiring. The outfield market is pretty much mid outside of Judge and Nimmo, and i guess Scheff's option Conforto. Grissom is the only in-house option and i'm not sure he's ready yet.

It's either pay Swanson and have ? at SS to replace him. Xander, Correa, Turner probably all get much larger contracts than Dansby. I think the years is the biggest holdup with him, his defense is a big part of his value and once that goes, so does a ton of his value. I guess we could trade for someone on a contract for the next 3-4 years but the farm is pretty barren.
 
Heyward said:
The Swanson situation is tricky. We're set at C, 1B, 2B, 3B, CF and wherever Acuna is. Need a DH and another OF'er plus a SS. Probably stuck with Ozuna for another year at least before he's on an expiring. The outfield market is pretty much mid outside of Judge and Nimmo, and i guess Scheff's option Conforto. Grissom is the only in-house option and i'm not sure he's ready yet.

It's either pay Swanson and have ? at SS to replace him. Xander, Correa, Turner probably all get much larger contracts than Dansby. I think the years is the biggest holdup with him, his defense is a big part of his value and once that goes, so does a ton of his value. I guess we could trade for someone on a contract for the next 3-4 years but the farm is pretty barren.
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It will be fascinating to me.

The conspiracy lover in me thinks that he is gone. Gone b/c AA is showing people if you want to be a Brave, you sign a deal before free agency and you sign for 75 cents on the dollar. If you don't, you are gone.

Couldn't move Grissom b/c he's at least a SS in theory. So you don't HAVE to sign a SS with him here. Although it seems like most think he can't handle it long term. Giving any SS giant money is scary given the demands on that position not being great for guys in the 30s.

Roster construction wise it might make the most sense to to dump ozuna, put Riley at DH, Grissom at 3B and find an impact bat at LF or SS, best you can do. Doubt Riley is going for that though.
 
If the Padres need to shed any salary I'd be interested in getting Ha-Seong Kim to play SS.

Looks like a solid defensive player and won't embarrass himself with the bat.
 
Russ2dollas said:
It will be fascinating to me.

The conspiracy lover in me thinks that he is gone. Gone b/c AA is showing people if you want to be a Brave, you sign a deal before free agency and you sign for 75 cents on the dollar. If you don't, you are gone.

Couldn't move Grissom b/c he's at least a SS in theory. So you don't HAVE to sign a SS with him here. Although it seems like most think he can't handle it long term. Giving any SS giant money is scary given the demands on that position not being great for guys in the 30s.

Roster construction wise it might make the most sense to to dump ozuna, put Riley at DH, Grissom at 3B and find an impact bat at LF or SS, best you can do. Doubt Riley is going for that though.
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Getting a legit bat for the outfield and having a defensive type at SS is where i'd go. But the outfield market is terrible. We might have no choice but to pay the piper with Dansby and hope this is real. If we approached Dansby like 2-3 years ago he may have gone for it, but obviously no chance he's going for it now.
 
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Swanson is gonna be a tricky one and I’m glad it’s the FO deciding it. Is this the new Swanson or the one playing for a contract? Turner has been awesome this year but the Dodgers won’t let him leave. Boggarts isn’t very good defensively and Correa is having a down year. So no clue what they’ll do but I stick to my original idea and offer Dansby a QO and sees what happens. I don’t see 3 teams hand out big contracts to SS this offseason but who knows. I think Dansby ends up with the Dodgers and they but Turner at 2b.
 
Love Swanson but I just don't see how you give a big contract to a SS where a good chunk of their value is derived from defense. Swansons defensive peak is either now or behind him. Paying for that is super risky.
 
thethe said:
Love Swanson but I just don't see how you give a big contract to a SS where a good chunk of their value is derived from defense. Swansons defensive peak is either now or behind him. Paying for that is super risky.
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Him and FF are pretty big buddies so I think he’s playing with a big chip on his shoulder too.
 
Hudson2 said:
Swanson is gonna be a tricky one and I’m glad it’s the FO deciding it. Is this the new Swanson or the one playing for a contract? Turner has been awesome this year but the Dodgers won’t let him leave. Boggarts isn’t very good defensively and Correa is having a down year. So no clue what they’ll do but I stick to my original idea and offer Dansby a QO and sees what happens. I don’t see 3 teams hand out big contracts to SS this offseason but who knows. I think Dansby ends up with the Dodgers and they but Turner at 2b.
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Dodgers have Lux at 2B. I doubt LA pays massive contracts and gives up a pick for Swanson and Turner. I am with you i'm not sure there are 3 teams handing out big deals to shortstops if we assume Turner stays in LA. I'd say Cards, Giants, Twins, Phillies, Cubs, Red Sox would be possible big spenders at SS.
 
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