Affordable Care Act

This is how stupid the argument of the youth being ripped off to pay for the care of elders

let's hypothetically go the other way
.suppose the elders (or the cliche "boomers" if you like) take back all of the streets that were paved and maintained on their dime -- suppose the elders take back and not pass on what they have invested for the future and let the "youth" start over. That would mean the internet that was financed and researched through government monies or pausing the argument on the it's infinite timeline
then we could live in a constant state of 1776. It would be Groundhog Day -----

And Sturg I fully understand you and Z's point but -- we all get old and like 50 pointed out, we all get sick.
The older I get I come to smile at the wisdom of "It Takes a Village"
and that referring not only to this topic either..
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seems the writer has made a fortune railing against ACA.
 
That's a moronic comparison. Even though all analogies suck, that one sucks especially hard.

What we're talking about is a tax on young people to pay for the aging generation. instead of charging that generation when they were younger, they put things on the back burner expecting the best and not preparing for the worst at all. And now we're asked to foot the bill for all the mistakes of that particular generation that yes I think at times we should press the reset button. Absolve the debt and just start all over again with some intelligence. Not foolishly like we're doing now. We're well on our way to economical ruin.
 
How many people who were previously uninsured are now insured? How many people who were previously uninsured are still uninsured?
 
I have a quick story for all you young people who don't think you need health insurance. Last month my 25 year old daughter called me up early one morning saying she wasn't feeling well. She thought she had appendicitis. Well, it wasn't that...it was a very common female issue called an ovarian cyst. It was 9cm, and needed to come out. She had an ultrasound in the doctor's office, and a decision was made to do laparoscopic surgery the next day. Everything went very well, and she feels fine now. For the doctor, the anesthesiologist, and the hospital for one afternoon of surgery, the bill is well over 40 thousand dollars. She went in at 1PM on Friday and was home at 9:30PM. This health issue came completely out of the blue, and thankfully she was covered by our insurance. You might say that if you don't have insurance, the hospital will take a lot less if you pay in cash...and that's very true. However, those of us who have insurance would be picking up the tab for you. That's how health insurance works when young people are not covered. Those of us who take responsibility, and don't have insurance through our jobs...because we work for ourselves.... pay the brunt of these costs by paying the highest premiums.
 
Cleveland Clinic: 75% of those who signed up for ObamaCare are paying higher premiums than before

CLEVELAND (CBS Cleveland/AP) — The CEO of the Cleveland Clinic says that a majority of Americans who signed up for Obamacare have seen their premiums rise.
“About three-quarters of them find that their premiums are higher than they had been previously with other insurance,” Toby Cosgrove told Fox News.
Cosgrove explained that the Affordable Care Act is having a “major effect” upon health care providers.

“We know for example that we’re going to get paid less for what we do,” Cosgrove stated. “Hospitals are going to be paid less for what they do. We also know that insurers are paying less for what we do.”

Cosgrove said providers need to “become more efficient” in how they deliver health care.

The White House says more than 6 million have signed up for health coverage, meaning the administration met its scaled back goal a few days early.
Those without health insurance face a fine of $95 or 1 percent of their income.

HealthCare.gov was down for several hours Monday as the deadline for open enrollment loomed.

The Obama administration announced last week that some consumers will be granted additional time to sign up for health insurance if they were unable to enroll in time.
 
That would be the same Cleveland Clinic? Last we heard from them they were having to lay off some unbelievable (as it turns out that term fit) number of employees because the dreaded ACA was about to terrorize the land.

Now, compare Kendiz experience with that of a CEO that has been bellyaching since day one.

For conversation sake, are there verifiable numbers accompanying Mr CEO's claim?
What was the nature of the increases? Annual increase - change in coverage or just Obama?
 
The president is walking to the podium, followed by Vice President Biden.

1:20 PM PT: "Six months ago today, a big part of the Affordable Care Act kicked in ... last night, the first open enrollment period under this law came to end ... despite several lost weeks [due to website problems], 7.1 million Americans have signed up."

1:20 PM PT: Cheers and applause from the assembled crowd on that 7.1 million announcement. And the number is growing: "Anyone who was stuck in line" can complete their enrollment says the president.

1:22 PM PT: And, as the president points out, it's not just people enrolling in individual market plans: It's also Medicaid expansion, a ban on coverage limits, reducing drug costs for seniors, and more.

1:23 PM PT: Allen West is not impressed. He thinks the numbers are made up, apparently. Unskew!

1:24 PM PT: President Obama says that improving the health care system is still a work in progress—not mission accomplished. "But this law has made our health care system a lot better. A lot better." And it will continue getting better.

1:25 PM PT: President Obama says the ACA is making millions of Americans more secure by giving them access to affordable, reliable insurance. And then a message for the Republican repealers: "Regardless of your politics, or your feelings about me, that's something that's good for our country—and there's no good reason to go back."

1:30 PM PT: President Obama casts insurance as an issue of dignity, decrying "the constant politics" around Obamacare, referring to the Republican repealers without naming them. But it's clear this is the formulation of what should be a killer message for Democrats this fall, if they only have the courage to run on it—that Republican health care policy would take away health insurance for millions of people. "Why are they so mad about the idea of folks having health insurance?" he asks.

1:31 PM PT: Now he's really going at the GOP: "There are still no death panels ... Armageddon has not arrived." And: "The debate over repealing this law is over. The Affordable Care Act is here to stay."

1:32 PM PT: "Those who have based their entire political agenda on repealing have to explain why [a woman he mentioned earlier] should have to go back to being uninsured."

1:33 PM PT: "You know, in the end, history is not kind those who would deny Americans their basic economic security."

1:36 PM PT: Obama again says that there are going to be days when the website isn't working, and that there opportunities for the law to be improved, but it's time to move past the question of whether or not ACA is here to stay.

1:38 PM PT: "The idea that everybody in this country should be able to get decent health care—that goal is achievable." And we should work together to achieve that goal, the president says. "To make sure that this country we love lives up to its highest ideals." And with a "thank you very much, God bless you, and God bless America" the president's remarks are done.
 
57Brave said:
The president is walking to the podium, followed by Vice President Biden.

1:20 PM PT: "Six months ago today, a big part of the Affordable Care Act kicked in ... last night, the first open enrollment period under this law came to end ... despite several lost weeks [due to website problems], 7.1 million Americans have signed up."

1:20 PM PT: Cheers and applause from the assembled crowd on that 7.1 million announcement. And the number is growing: "Anyone who was stuck in line" can complete their enrollment says the president.

1:22 PM PT: And, as the president points out, it's not just people enrolling in individual market plans: It's also Medicaid expansion, a ban on coverage limits, reducing drug costs for seniors, and more.

1:23 PM PT: Allen West is not impressed. He thinks the numbers are made up, apparently. Unskew!

1:24 PM PT: President Obama says that improving the health care system is still a work in progress—not mission accomplished. "But this law has made our health care system a lot better. A lot better." And it will continue getting better.

1:25 PM PT: President Obama says the ACA is making millions of Americans more secure by giving them access to affordable, reliable insurance. And then a message for the Republican repealers: "Regardless of your politics, or your feelings about me, that's something that's good for our country—and there's no good reason to go back."

1:30 PM PT: President Obama casts insurance as an issue of dignity, decrying "the constant politics" around Obamacare, referring to the Republican repealers without naming them. But it's clear this is the formulation of what should be a killer message for Democrats this fall, if they only have the courage to run on it—that Republican health care policy would take away health insurance for millions of people. "Why are they so mad about the idea of folks having health insurance?" he asks.

1:31 PM PT: Now he's really going at the GOP: "There are still no death panels ... Armageddon has not arrived." And: "The debate over repealing this law is over. The Affordable Care Act is here to stay."

1:32 PM PT: "Those who have based their entire political agenda on repealing have to explain why [a woman he mentioned earlier] should have to go back to being uninsured."

1:33 PM PT: "You know, in the end, history is not kind those who would deny Americans their basic economic security."

1:36 PM PT: Obama again says that there are going to be days when the website isn't working, and that there opportunities for the law to be improved, but it's time to move past the question of whether or not ACA is here to stay.

1:38 PM PT: "The idea that everybody in this country should be able to get decent health care—that goal is achievable." And we should work together to achieve that goal, the president says. "To make sure that this country we love lives up to its highest ideals." And with a "thank you very much, God bless you, and God bless America" the president's remarks are done.
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LOL - You're so cute
 
"LOL - You're so cute"

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"Those who have based their entire political agenda on repealing have to explain why [a woman he mentioned earlier] should have to go back to being uninsured."

Whatcha got?
 
57Brave said:
"LOL - You're so cute"

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"Those who have based their entire political agenda on repealing have to explain why [a woman he mentioned earlier] should have to go back to being uninsured."

Whatcha got?
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Sorry - help me understand. What was stopping her from getting insurance before ObamaCare? Other than the federal government mandating that she does, thus removing her choice in the matter?
 
Could be any number of reasons - pre- existing condition or cut off or couldn't afford .

Maybe her employer raised her rates 79% and she found a better boss --- hard to tell.

Maybe she was a student ---------------- who knows.
Why not find out the details and tell us all?
 
zitothebrave said:
That's a moronic comparison. Even though all analogies suck, that one sucks especially hard.

What we're talking about is a tax on young people to pay for the aging generation. instead of charging that generation when they were younger, they put things on the back burner expecting the best and not preparing for the worst at all. And now we're asked to foot the bill for all the mistakes of that particular generation that yes I think at times we should press the reset button. Absolve the debt and just start all over again with some intelligence. Not foolishly like we're doing now. We're well on our way to economical ruin.
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As a boomer, I tend to agree with you on much of what you say. Of course, we paid high taxes to pay for all of the crap that the hero generation wanted. Remember, it wasn't us who constructed the Cold War and the War on Poverty simultaneously. I don't know if we are on the way to economic ruin, but we have to do something about defense spending and entitlements or things will get very dicey.

As for the ACA, I think both sides are claiming shallow victories here, if there is indeed anything to claim. Enrollment goals were reached, but what is the nature of the enrollment? It will take a long time to sort that out. One the other side, we need a lot of improvement in the health care system and as long as the MDs and the insurance companies continue to hold inordinate sway over the decision-making machinery in D.C., that probably isn't happening.
 
57Brave said:
Could be any number of reasons - pre- existing condition or cut off or couldn't afford .

Maybe her employer raised her rates 79% and she found a better boss --- hard to tell.

Maybe she was a student ---------------- who knows.
Why not find out the details and tell us all?
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In other words - you don't have an answer.

The only difference between today and a year ago is that now the woman is forced to buy. The health care was always there if she chose to buy it.

I thought liberals were pro-choice. It seems that would support a woman's right to do with her body as she chooses, and that would include having the choice to insure it.
 
Just remember:

Social Security isn't called FDR Security.
Medicare isn't called LBCare.
ACA isn't called ACA, it's called Obamacare.

That's going to be a Dem brand, and it will be because of the huge electoral victories... and the fact Pelosi and Obama are beasts.

While the right will disagree, in 10-15 years I think we're going to look back on this period of time and see how much of an accomplishment it is to have passed the single greatest piece of legislation since the 1960's, in spite of the biggest obstructionist party since reconstruction. 6 years of obstruction on everything under the sun.
 
50PoundHead said:
As a boomer, I tend to agree with you on much of what you say. Of course, we paid high taxes to pay for all of the crap that the hero generation wanted. Remember, it wasn't us who constructed the Cold War and the War on Poverty simultaneously. I don't know if we are on the way to economic ruin, but we have to do something about defense spending and entitlements or things will get very dicey.

As for the ACA, I think both sides are claiming shallow victories here, if there is indeed anything to claim. Enrollment goals were reached, but what is the nature of the enrollment? It will take a long time to sort that out. One the other side, we need a lot of improvement in the health care system and as long as the MDs and the insurance companies continue to hold inordinate sway over the decision-making machinery in D.C., that probably isn't happening.
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I disagree 50.
I think the fact ACA has survived a Supreme Court decision, a Presidential Election, early enrollment problems and close to 50 repeal votes in the House to now meeting it's goal of registrants anything but a shallow victory for the Administration (the public??) . And what opponents see as people being forced to enroll I view as people now having an opportunity they didn't have 5-6 years ago. Guess that is a matter of perspective.
At the end of the day it isn't clear to me what a shallow victory (or any form of victory- seems they got they a$$ whipped at every turn) for opponents looks like.

Now, on to a single payer - medicare for all system. To me that is the conversation we should be having. How legislatively do we accomplish that transition. Not whether something now embedded in society is going to magically disappear
 
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