Michigan Militia Plotted To Kidnap Gov. Gretchen Whitmer, FBI Says

sturg33 said:
My question was very specific
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I cant answer without going over the case and I really dont care. What I do recall is there were no FBI informants initially, whatever they were planning caused one guy to tell a cop friend about it who I assume called the FBI who then contacted the guy to ask him to stay with the group as an informant. So whatever they were planning was bad enough for someone to report it to law enforcement before the FBI was involved. This begs the question when does a terrorist conspiracy become a crime. If a group of Antifa is meeting and start talking about blowing up Maralago how would you like the FBI to handle that? At what point does it become a crime?
 
cajunrevenge said:
1. Some people do plead guilty that are innocent. So we just assuming everyone that pleads guilty now is innocent? That apply to Clinesmith too? I didnt think so. People on your team are presumed innocent even after conviction. Give me a break.


2. I know three things. Little thethe is full of ****, people with 2 co conspirators who confessed testifying against them arent found not guilty except via jury nullification, and this is hardly over. There will be multiple appeals and the defense only has to win once.


3. Considering that I was right about this and the Sussman hoax despite barely paying attention while the "experts" round here fell for this and the Sussman hoax maybe you should reconsider who shouldnt be arguing with who.


4. Again, I understand you need me to be a liberal because a conservative who doesnt bow at altar of Trump threatens your worldview but I am not a partisan.


5. Cool story, hopefully they hire you for their appeal since you got it all figured out.
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Except with Clinesmith there's actual evidence he lied. Wow, you're a delusional fool. The prosecutor showed the court the text that showed Sussman lied. The fact that you can't see corruption in that case and this one shows a clear lack of critical thinking skills. I'll quit calling you a liberal when you learn to think for yourself and actually get yourself informed.
 
1. So only your team is innocent when pleading guilty?


2. are you saying there is no evidence against these guys other than testimoney from the co conspirators? Werent they arrested trying to buy explosives?


3. why are you so mad at me? I am not on the jury. and I honestly dont care if they are convicted or not.


4. Thinking for oneself does not equate to agreeing with you. I am certainly informed enough to know little thethe is full of ****. You, Mr. Informed critical thinker, STILL cant get right who won in 2020 and STILL parrots the fake media hoax against Sussman.
 
cajunrevenge said:
1. So only your team is innocent when pleading guilty?


2. are you saying there is no evidence against these guys other than testimoney from the co conspirators? Werent they arrested trying to buy explosives?


3. why are you so mad at me? I am not on the jury. and I honestly dont care if they are convicted or not.


4. Thinking for oneself does not equate to agreeing with you. I am certainly informed enough to know little thethe is full of ****. You, Mr. Informed critical thinker, STILL cant get right who won in 2020 and STILL parrots the fake media hoax against Sussman.
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I'm not mad at you. I'm just sick of your constant uninformed opinions.

Let me show you what it's like to argue with you. Let's say Trump was caught red-handed with text that shows he colluded with Putin conclusively. He gets off due to a jury from a red area that just ignores the evidence. I then go around and claim that collusion is a hoax. That's what it's like dealing with you. Seriously, you're braindead most of the time. Is it the dope? I don't know.
 
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cajunrevenge said:
I cant answer without going over the case and I really dont care. What I do recall is there were no FBI informants initially, whatever they were planning caused one guy to tell a cop friend about it who I assume called the FBI who then contacted the guy to ask him to stay with the group as an informant. So whatever they were planning was bad enough for someone to report it to law enforcement before the FBI was involved. This begs the question when does a terrorist conspiracy become a crime. If a group of Antifa is meeting and start talking about blowing up Maralago how would you like the FBI to handle that? At what point does it become a crime?
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My question was does literally anything happen without fbi involvement?

The answer in my opinion is no. They focused.on desperate drug addict losers (like you) and encouraged them to commit a crime by providing incentives and pressure to do so

Before you were a fbi cuck you would have seen this.

Now you're a boot licker.
 
sturg33 said:
The answer in my opinion is no. They focused.on desperate drug addict losers (like you) and encouraged them to commit a crime by providing incentives and pressure to do so
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Yep. The FBI informants were running the whole damn operation.
 
Garmel said:
I'm not mad at you. I'm just sick of your constant uninformed opinions.

Let me show you what it's like to argue with you. Let's say Trump was caught red-handed with text that shows he colluded with Putin conclusively. He gets off due to a jury from a red area that just ignores the evidence. I then go around and claim that collusion is a hoax. That's what it's like dealing with you. Seriously, you're braindead most of the time. Is it the dope? I don't know.
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You are so close to self awareness. You might have actually gotten it if you could avoid the partisan interpretation of events.
 
sturg33 said:
My question was does literally anything happen without fbi involvement?

The answer in my opinion is no. They focused.on desperate drug addict losers (like you) and encouraged them to commit a crime by providing incentives and pressure to do so

Before you were a fbi cuck you would have seen this.

Now you're a boot licker.
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What I see is people who played stupid games and won stupid prizes. They will get several trials through appeals and if they cant convince one jury they are innocent then boo hoo for them.
 
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sturg33 said:
My question was does literally anything happen without fbi involvement?

The answer in my opinion is no. They focused.on desperate drug addict losers (like you) and encouraged them to commit a crime by providing incentives and pressure to do so

Before you were a fbi cuck you would have seen this.

Now you're a boot licker.
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I've said this I don't know 200 times I feel like.

If someone came up to me and say "Hey, let's go kidnap someone" I'd walk the **** away. Sure you can argue psyops etc. But someone not willing to just walk away from this shows you they're kind of in deep to something. If I was at a protest and things started to riot I'd nope out of there.

I remember when the republicans on this board used to hard on owning **** and personal responsibility. That sensibility seemed to have died with the Fast Food President.
 
Tapate50 said:
Clinton? Didn't he eat at McD's all the time after a jog?
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I realize that the FBI has to infiltrate extreme groups on occasion. However, if government agents and informants are the ones planning, leading and keeping the group together then we have a problem.

Would anything had happened if it wasn't for the FBI in this case? The evidence points to "no".

I personally don't want to be lectured by libs who would be yelling racism if this was done to BLM groups.
 
zitothebrave said:
I've said this I don't know 200 times I feel like.

If someone came up to me and say "Hey, let's go kidnap someone" I'd walk the **** away. Sure you can argue psyops etc. But someone not willing to just walk away from this shows you they're kind of in deep to something. If I was at a protest and things started to riot I'd nope out of there.

I remember when the republicans on this board used to hard on owning **** and personal responsibility. That sensibility seemed to have died with the Fast Food President.
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Getting paid with cash/sex/drugs can help change someones mind.
 
zitothebrave said:
I've said this I don't know 200 times I feel like.

If someone came up to me and say "Hey, let's go kidnap someone" I'd walk the **** away. Sure you can argue psyops etc. But someone not willing to just walk away from this shows you they're kind of in deep to something. If I was at a protest and things started to riot I'd nope out of there.

I remember when the republicans on this board used to hard on owning **** and personal responsibility. That sensibility seemed to have died with the Fast Food President.
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They did try to walk away several times.

They weren't interested.

They lost interest after starting.

But these people were losers and were getting paid tens of thousands in cash, drugs, and sex to keep the momentum going.

My point stands yet again, nothing happens without the fbi. If you think otherwise you are insane. They needed the tools and the money from the FBI just to get it done in the first place
 
sturg33 said:
But these people were losers and were getting paid tens of thousands in cash, drugs, and sex to keep the momentum going.
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To the libs who don't know this the FBI had a female informant sleeping with these guys. Does that sound okay to y'all?
 
I mentioned this above but I'm going to mention it again. You hypocritical libs would be losing your **** if this was done to a BLM group.
 
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