GDT 8/26/22: Braves @ Cardinals - Attack on the Birdhouse

[Heyward]

Not when you are looking at going against Degrom/Scherz 4 times in a seven game series.

Braves hit both of them fairly well in Atlanta. Acting like the Braves dont have Fried, Wright, Morton and Strider to throw out in a seven game series. With a much superior offense and the better bullpen.

 

[thethe]

Braves hit both of them fairly well in Atlanta. Acting like the Braves dont have Fried, Wright, Morton and Strider to throw out in a seven game series. With a much superior offense and the better bullpen.

I’m not comparing braves vs mets right now.

I think we are the better team.l and that’s because w come close to matching their peak pitching but are deeper and have a better offense.

 

[chop2chip]

Braves 2003 offense was one of the best ever and did nothing in the playoffs.

Braves had some amazing starting pitching staffs that did nothing in the playoffs too. You can always find counter examples.

 

[thethe]

Braves had some amazing starting pitching staffs that did nothing in the playoffs too. You can always find counter examples.

Never had Degrom/Scherzer no offense to what we had. Power pitching is the key.

 

[chop2chip]

Never had Degrom/Scherzer no offense to what we had. Power pitching is the key.

2000’s Cubs teams had more power pitching than anyone.

 

[thethe]

2000’s Cubs teams had more power pitching than anyone.

And they shut our great 2003 offense down.

They just happened to run into another team with some power pitching and a little bit of pixy dust.

 

[chop2chip]

And they shut our great 2003 offense down.

They just happened to run into another team with some power pitching and a little bit of pixy dust.

They had power pitching in years other than 2003

 

[thethe]

2000’s Cubs teams had more power pitching than anyone.

Actually the only year where they had both Prior/Wood healthy was the year they were able to shut down a great offense. But again - Beckett/Willis/Burrnet/Penny were also example of power pitchers.

 

[thethe]

They had power pitching in years other than 2003

Not healthy - Prior was a flash in the pan and he was the key to their 2003 'success'.

 

[chop2chip]

Teams that led MLB in K/9 (starters)

2021 - Milwaukee
2020 - Dodgers
2019 - Houston
2018 - Houston
2017 - Cleveland
2016 - Washington
2015 - Cleveland
2014 - Cleveland
2013 - Detroit
2012 - Milwaukee
2011 - Philadelphia


The only team that won a World Series during this span was the 2020 Dodgers. This doesn’t mean power pitching teams aren’t good (they clearly are as these are the best teams of the past decade). But that the playoffs are random and ascribing any one style of play as “better” in the playoffs is a boomer sports write cliche.

 

[thethe]

Teams that led MLB in K/9 (starters)

2021 - Milwaukee
2020 - Dodgers
2019 - Houston
2018 - Houston
2017 - Cleveland
2016 - Washington
2015 - Cleveland
2014 - Cleveland
2013 - Detroit
2012 - Milwaukee
2011 - Philadelphia


The only team that won a World Series during this span was the 2020 Dodgers. This doesn’t mean power pitching teams aren’t good (they clearly are as these are the best teams of the past decade). But that the playoffs are random and ascribing any one style of play as “better” in the playoffs is a boomer sports write cliche.

Random just means that singular outcomes can vary from expected outcomes. If you are just going to throw your hands up and say anything can happen then I agree with you. But right now we are trying to ascribe a hierarchy for teams that have the best chances to win the whole thing.

 

[chop2chip]

Random just means that singular outcomes can vary from expected outcomes. If you are just going to throw your hands up and say anything can happen then I agree with you. But right now we are trying to ascribe a hierarchy for teams that have the best chances to win the whole thing.

But that’s quite literally what you did by citing the 2003 Braves.

 

[zbhargrove]

Urias: 2.36 ERA/3.46 FIP/3.67 xFIP 2.8 fWAR
Gonsolin: 2.10 ERA/3.35 FIP/3.74 xFIP 2.5 fWAR
Anderson: 2.69 ERA/3.16 FIP/4.13 xFIP 3.2 fWAR
Heaney (only 9 starts): 1.94 ERA/3.01 FIP/2.92 xFIP 1.0 fWAR

Let's not act like these guys are scrubs please. And their offense is certainly better than ours and a **** ton better than the Mets.

Not to mention Kershaw is about to be back: 2.64 ERA/2.73 FIP/3.00 xFIP 2.3 fWAR.

And if Dustin May is even back to a percentage of himself... they still have plenty of very good to great options in the rotation.

 

[Heyward]

Urias: 2.36 ERA/3.46 FIP/3.67 xFIP 2.8 fWAR
Gonsolin: 2.10 ERA/3.11 FIP/3.74 xFIP 2.5 fWAR
Anderson: 2.69 ERA/3.16 FIP/4.13 xFIP 3.2 fWAR
Heaney (only 9 starts): 1.94 ERA/3.01 FIP/2.92 xFIP 1.0 fWAR

Let's not act like these guys are scrubs please. And their offense is certainly better than ours and a **** ton better than the Mets.

They have Kershaw waiting in the wings who when he's pitched has been very good. 2.64 ERA, 0.98 WHIP with a 88/15 K/BB ratio in 85 innings. I'd say Braves and Dodgers offense is pretty close when we have our full complement of players. Dodgers offense is leaps and bounds better than the Mets though.

thethe acting like the Dodgers starters are scrubs even without Buehler is a take though lol.

 

[zbhargrove]

They have Kershaw waiting in the wings who when he's pitched has been very good. 2.64 ERA, 0.98 WHIP with a 88/15 K/BB ratio in 85 innings. I'd say Braves and Dodgers offense is pretty close when we have our full complement of players. Dodgers offense is leaps and bounds better than the Mets though.

thethe acting like the Dodgers starters are scrubs even without Buehler is a take though lol.

Our lineups are probably closer than I'm giving credit, but I still give the edge to the Dodgers I think.

 

[chop2chip]

Urias: 2.36 ERA/3.46 FIP/3.67 xFIP 2.8 fWAR
Gonsolin: 2.10 ERA/3.35 FIP/3.74 xFIP 2.5 fWAR
Anderson: 2.69 ERA/3.16 FIP/4.13 xFIP 3.2 fWAR
Heaney (only 9 starts): 1.94 ERA/3.01 FIP/2.92 xFIP 1.0 fWAR

Let's not act like these guys are scrubs please. And their offense is certainly better than ours and a **** ton better than the Mets.

Not to mention Kershaw is about to be back: 2.64 ERA/2.73 FIP/3.00 xFIP 2.3 fWAR.

And if Dustin May is even back to a percentage of himself... they still have plenty of very good to great options in the rotation.

May so far this year looks like 150% of what he was pre TJ

 

[zbhargrove]

May so far this year looks like 150% of what he was pre TJ

Yeah I haven't followed May's progress or return very closely... but his one start looked pretty dominant thus far and he killed it in his 6 rehab starts.

 

[thethe]

But that’s quite literally what you did by citing the 2003 Braves.

That series was the expected outcome.

 

[thethe]

Urias: 2.36 ERA/3.46 FIP/3.67 xFIP 2.8 fWAR
Gonsolin: 2.10 ERA/3.35 FIP/3.74 xFIP 2.5 fWAR
Anderson: 2.69 ERA/3.16 FIP/4.13 xFIP 3.2 fWAR
Heaney (only 9 starts): 1.94 ERA/3.01 FIP/2.92 xFIP 1.0 fWAR

Let's not act like these guys are scrubs please. And their offense is certainly better than ours and a **** ton better than the Mets.

Not to mention Kershaw is about to be back: 2.64 ERA/2.73 FIP/3.00 xFIP 2.3 fWAR.

And if Dustin May is even back to a percentage of himself... they still have plenty of very good to great options in the rotation.

Nobody is worried about any of those guys bur Urias. I'll give you that May could change the calculus if he proves to be healthy.

 

[chop2chip]

That series was the expected outcome.

See.. that’s why debating with you is a waste of time. Ten years of example data, thrown out because “random things happen”, but one example from 20 years ago is valid because it is the “expected outcome”.