zbhargrove
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At his age, he has shown superstar potential (again, no one said he is a superstar just that he's shown glimpses of the potential)... I clearly stated the argument in the post. If you don't want to read it, that's fine.
Is it too early to give up on BJ Upton?
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At his age, he has shown superstar potential (again, no one said he is a superstar just that he's shown glimpses of the potential)... I clearly stated the argument in the post. If you don't want to read it, that's fine.
zbhargrove
Well-known member
Wasn't talking about BJ...
zbhargrove
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Prado - career .772 OPS
Justin Upton - career .829 OPS with a lot more speed
Prado was not a great defender... they are about equal... the only thing Prado has on Upton is that he can be a super utility guy who plays a lot of positions in a pinch...
They aren't even close.
VirginiaBrave
Well-known member
My bad. Assumed because of the thread title. But to continue the discussion am I the only one that wishes we had Prado back in left and Dexter Fowler in center? I remember there being reports of talks with the Rockies.
zbhargrove
Well-known member
Who hates Prado? I loved Prado and have him on a fantasy baseball team... you're just speculating and putting words in people's mouths now.
jpx7
Very Flirtatious, but Doubts What Love Is.
Racist. And objectifying.
AUTiger7222
Called Up to the Major Leagues
Prado was dead weight the whole first half of last year. He was barely hitting above .200 at the start of June last year.
AUTiger7222
Called Up to the Major Leagues
Dalyn
Fredi Gonzalez Supporter
And after getting hot for about two months, he went back to being dead weight in September. That's just how Prado is. Great bench player. Average starter (at best).
CyYoung31
Shift Leader
Consistency is overrated? Did you seriously just say that?
30 homeruns and an .850 OPS at the end of the season is still 30 homeruns and an .850 OPS. It doesn't matter how you get there.
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
You have a different definition of superstars. You're talking about MVP/generational talents. By that logic Chipper wasn't a superstar because he was never Barroids/A-Roid/etc. and I don't buy that. In 2011 Justin hit .289/.369/.529 netting him a grand total with his defense and baserunning of a 6.1 fWAR. That's superstar level.
Thats BS. There was a good 10 year run where Chipper was one of the top 5-10 hitters in the sport. Justin Upton has not reached that all. Maybe he was a top hitter 1 year but that is basically it.
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
Take that up with Niners who said he only considers Trout/Miggy.
Ok, I just didn't care to read the rest. Even still, I just don't get why people are just assuming that Upton is or will be elite at this point. Again, I have never once said he was bad or even average. He is a good player but this overrating has to stop. And yes, I know that sounds ridiculous coming from me.
CyYoung31
Shift Leader
Good to know you only take hitting into consideration.
Chipper or Justin get points for defense? If anything Chipper was a better defender than Upton.
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
Justin was a fine hitter. top 40 in baseball.
Consistency is overrated? Did you seriously just say that?
Over the course of a season your final numbers are what matters. A guy who goes from really hot to really cold but posts great offensive numbers is better then a guy who is consistently above average.
Who is assuming that Upton is or will be elite? Most people know he has the potential to do it because he has done it before. However I think most people see him as a really good hitter who gets hot and goes into slumps (like most sluggers). If he posts a 3-4 WAR per year in his time remaining here I doubt you will see many people complain (except for those who get pissy because he's not consistent.)
CyYoung31
Shift Leader
Justin hasn't looked great at times since his move to left, but he was/is a pretty good defender. He also gets points for base running.