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Giants postponed the Correa intro press conference for today because of a "medical concern". Now reported they are awaiting a test result.

I'm sure its nothing serious, but it would be hilarious if the deal fell through.
 
Enscheff said:
And the roster wouldn’t be in this position had AA not given Rosario 2 years, which was a contract I and a few others hated the moment it was signed. Even back then the cult members loved it and said “AA knows what he’s doing” simply because Eddie stood in the LHH batters box and the Braves “needed a LHH”…apparently even if that LHH was terrible.

Well guess what? Even great GMs make mistakes, and Rosario was one of them. Now the Braves are terrible in LF as a direct result of a terrible contract that AA should have known was terrible the day it was offered.

So yeah, excuse me if I scoff at the simpleton “I think AA knows what he’s doing” comments some use to justify everything he does. Sometimes he screw up, and if I can see it as an obvious screw up (ahem Will Smith) then I expect AA should be able to see it as well.
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you’re boiling down what some are saying into a way more simplistic thing than is actually being said.

i’ve never said AA doesn’t make mistakes or is beyond reproach. it cracks me up, though, when someone says “AA should have focused those assets on SS or LF instead of improving C.” who is to say he didn’t try? in fact, it’s very likely he did! as if he doesn’t know the weaknesses of the team? i’m confident he explored many avenues and the costs were too high. so yes, he does know way more about what the costs of available and potentially available players were than bravesfanmatt and yes, even you.

i agree that the Rosario mistake last year, and the Ozuna one before it, probably had AA not dying to add a LF. that’s unfortunate, and i think if the price were right he’d have done it any way. but the prices were crazy, so he didn’t. essentially the same thing with SS except there weren’t previous FA mistakes there (can be argued 6/$120 for Swanson would have been an ok move). he was hoping there would be a value move, and one didn’t present itself, and you don’t have months to make a decision sometimes. so he went with the Murphy deal that delivered a great player to Atlanta.
 
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I know this is a bit outside the box, but of the teams still looking for catching, is there an opportunity to upgrade our LF/DH situation substantially? I still wouldn’t be entirely shocked if TDA is moved, and we sign an Alfaro type as Murphy’s backup.
 
zbhargrove said:
Man... Super gets crazy aggressive anytime anyone remotely critique's AA... super weird if you pardon the pun
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if the criticism doesn’t make sense, sure.
i’ve criticized AA plenty.
i do remember you aggressively kicking and screaming like a toddler in the playoff GDT though, which you clearly still remember being called out for. i just sorta think it’s embarrassing and a lil pathetic to be that affected by a sporting event, or dedicating one’s day (every day) to whining about a really good team’s off-season moves.
 
bravesnumberone said:
I know this is a bit outside the box, but of the teams still looking for catching, is there an opportunity to upgrade our LF/DH situation substantially? I still wouldn’t be entirely shocked if TDA is moved, and we sign an Alfaro type as Murphy’s backup.
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TDA is the clubhouse leader atm.

And he's one of AA's guys going way back.
 
Super said:
if the criticism doesn’t make sense, sure.
i’ve criticized AA plenty.
i do remember you aggressively kicking and screaming like a toddler in the playoff GDT though, which you clearly still remember being called out for. i just sorta think it’s embarrassing and a lil pathetic to be that affected by a sporting event, or dedicating one’s day (every day) to whining about a really good team’s off-season moves.
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But you're doing the same thing in rebuttal to what those who oppose your view is doing. No? I'm one of the ones saying that AA should have put assets elsewhere instead of catcher first when that was an area of least concern (IMHO). Great...AA said he planned to get his man this year versus 2024, but this board is still talking about LF/SS....maybe's and what if's. It's called an opinion for a reason.
 
CyYoung31 said:
Reading is hard when that’s not what you ****ing said. The way you said it can be interpreted either way. Try writing better. It’s really not that ****ing difficult. Not even as difficult as understanding that AA has built a great roster.
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Or. Ask for a point of clarity before acting like a child. I mean it isn’t that hard. I don’t know everyone’s level of education so I can’t always just dumb down every post for those having troubles following.
 
Tempers seem to be flaring around here, and it's not like Olson just struck out with the bases loaded down 1 in an April game in the 4th inning. Y'all chill till that happens... that's when you lose your crap, not now
 
Deester11 said:
But you're doing the same thing in rebuttal to what those who oppose your view is doing. No? I'm one of the ones saying that AA should have put assets elsewhere instead of catcher first when that was an area of least concern (IMHO). Great...AA said he planned to get his man this year versus 2024, but this board is still talking about LF/SS....maybe's and what if's. It's called an opinion for a reason.
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once again, you’re assuming he didn’t try and address SS/OF using those assets. he paid a relatively low cost for a guy who put up 5 WAR last year. what 5 War SS or OF with 3 years of control do you suppose was available that AA passed on?
 
We all know AA has turned over every stone to get good guys in here and the cost was just to much. I’m sure the Pirates want an arm and a leg for Reynolds so that wasn’t happening with anybody. We are still the team to beat in the East. The Phillies scare me more than the Mets do.
 
Super said:
once again, you’re assuming he didn’t try and address SS/OF using those assets. he paid a relatively low cost for a guy who put up 5 WAR last year. what 5 War SS or OF with 3 years of control do you suppose was available that AA passed on?
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And just where did I assume he didn't try? You don't know that he DID try? Works both ways. Don't try to wordplay me. It won't work. I get it. You're AA's nephew or some crap, but I gave you a thought and it's how I feel. I don't pretend to have an insider so I can't speculate on what he did and didn't try.
 
Deester11 said:
And just where did I assume he didn't try? You don't know that he DID try? Works both ways. Don't try to wordplay me. It won't work. I get it. You're AA's nephew or some crap, but I gave you a thought and it's how I feel. I don't pretend to have an insider so I can't speculate on what he did and didn't try.
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lol how is that “word play”?
you said “he should have put assets elsewhere instead of catcher.” ok. do you think he did not realize SS and LF were bigger needs? so did he not know that? and didn’t try and put assets elsewhere? or did he try and find that Murphy was the best move? what’s the more likely scenario to you?
 
bravesfanMatt said:
Or. Ask for a point of clarity before acting like a child. I mean it isn’t that hard. I don’t know everyone’s level of education so I can’t always just dumb down every post for those having troubles following.
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It’s impossible to dumb down your posts any more, so you shouldn’t worry about that.
 
The more I study and think about things, I think AA may be starting to plan his exit from Atlanta. He is clearly hemmed in by the bean counters and playing on the fringes of FA, in a year where they should have splurged coming off the title and the revenue it created. The minors are all but gutted for the immediate present. Ozuna was a bad signing as was Rosario but the cost of acquiring Olson and Murphy may be too high and backed him into a corner where he may look to get out before too long.
 
VirginiaBrave said:
The more I study and think about things, I think AA may be starting to plan his exit from Atlanta. He is clearly hemmed in by the bean counters and playing on the fringes of FA, in a year where they should have splurged coming off the title and the revenue it created. The minors are all but gutted for the immediate present. Ozuna was a bad signing as was Rosario but the cost of acquiring Olson and Murphy may be too high and backed him into a corner where he may look to get out before too long.
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Wouldn’t be surprised to see him bolt if/when things eventually turn sour. He’s never really been a part of a rebuild in his career, and he may not be interested in ever being part of one.

Of course, he could also get fired if things go really south.
 
VirginiaBrave said:
The more I study and think about things, I think AA may be starting to plan his exit from Atlanta. He is clearly hemmed in by the bean counters and playing on the fringes of FA, in a year where they should have splurged coming off the title and the revenue it created. The minors are all but gutted for the immediate present. Ozuna was a bad signing as was Rosario but the cost of acquiring Olson and Murphy may be too high and backed him into a corner where he may look to get out before too long.
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Besides the fact he’s handed out nearly a half a billion in contracts this year alone, he’s certainly operating like someone on the fringes ready to get out asap
 
Super said:
lol how is that “word play”?
you said “he should have put assets elsewhere instead of catcher.” ok. do you think he did not realize SS and LF were bigger needs? so did he not know that? and didn’t try and put assets elsewhere? or did he try and find that Murphy was the best move? what’s the more likely scenario to you?
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AA said he jumped at the chance to acquire Murphy when the opportunity presented itself. Did he hang up with another club looking for a LF/SS while negotiating the trade for Murphy? How the h3ll would I know!? Where did I say he didn't try? No where. I said "I" would have addressed LF/SS first.
 
Deester11 said:
AA said he jumped at the chance to acquire Murphy when the opportunity presented itself. Did he hang up with another club looking for a LF/SS while negotiating the trade for Murphy? How the h3ll would I know!? Where did I say he didn't try? No where. I said "I" would have addressed LF/SS first.
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i’ll ask again. how would you have addressed SS and LF? who would you have acquired, and for what? you’ve yet to present a single other option.

the Braves interest in Murphy was leaked two weeks before the deal was made. so in that time, and the time before it, we assume he didn’t try and address the obvious holes on the roster, or he did and the cost to acquire was too high. again: what is the more likely scenario to you?

the “how the hell would i know?!” is precisely my point. you don’t know. so yes, it’s far from absurd to assume AA didn’t try and address SS and LF. i’m sure he had a good idea of costs. i’m quite positive he was, ya know, *doing his job* this off-season. crazy assumption, maybe.
 
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