Official official offseason thread

msstate7 said:
At this point, I hope they just go completely overboard. The Yankees, dodgers, and Red Sox will complain to mlb, and there will be a harsher penalty for going this high on salary.

I said it earlier in this thread, but the first step on hitting the luxury tax should remain the same - money hit. There should be another level where you lose your 2nd round pick and international spending money. If you hit the next level, you lose your 1st round pick and all your international spending money. On the teams that don't spend at all... you should also be fined for not meeting the threshold. If you don't meet it 3 years in a row, your team can be auctioned to one of the expansion sites. This is just a rough idea, but something to this effect
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I agree. A “salary floor” is just as important to balanced competition as is a “salary cap”. No MLB team should be allowed to operate with a $40 MM payroll. The “floor should escalate over time just like the luxury tax.
 
Hudson2 said:
The Mets must have been the next highest bidder and when the Giants started falling apart Boras called the Mets and they didn’t care about the medicals. I think the Correa deal will be bad bc out of the 4 SS he’s the one that can’t stay healthy. I don’t want AA to do something just bc our main competition did but he needs another legit bat on the roster.
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We can't even afford Adam Duvall even if we wanted him. I wouldn't be surprised if maybe the Giants decided they didn't want Correa for 13 years and found a convenient way to back out. Something sounds off with the "disagreement."
 
jpack1 said:
I agree. A “salary floor” is just as important to balanced competition as is a “salary cap”. No MLB team should be allowed to operate with a $40 MM payroll. The “floor should escalate over time just like the luxury tax.
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The salary ceiling needs to be fixed first. Non competitive teams shouldn’t be made to spend 20 million on a player they don’t need just to be at the minimum payroll. Players won’t go for a salary cap but there needs to be one.
 
Baseball players are much better negotiators than their nfl counterparts. Nfl has a salary cap, and their contracts have outs. Football is wildly more popular, and more taxing on the body.
 
thewupk said:
Playing where?
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Agreed. Drury had a really good year, but he's got a lot of stamps on his baseball passport for a reason. I think he sees himself as a starter and depending on if Walsh rebounds, I could see Drury as the Angels' every day first-baseman.
 
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Have the Mets outlined how they will handle the Correa/Lindor issue at SS? Reminiscent of the A-Rod/Jeter logjam the Yankees had. Any idea which one moves off SS to a different position?
 
50PoundHead said:
Agreed. Drury had a really good year, but he's got a lot of stamps on his baseball passport for a reason. I think he sees himself as a starter and depending on if Walsh rebounds, I could see Drury as the Angels' every day first-baseman.
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If the Braves aren't getting a full-time LF either through free agency or trade, I consider guys like Drury useful because of their ability to play multiple positions. In addition to being an improvement to the current LF mix, he could have been used to help with getting Olson and Riley an extra day off here and there. And I don't think 2/17 is unreasonable for him. Maybe he doesn't want to float around as much.
 
The Giants have some payroll room now. Hopefully AA can talk his old pal in to taking on Ozuna with some prospects attached
 
Baseball does have a competitive balance penalty in their draft. The Mets first round pick will be 10 spots higher. 22 to 32. And those comp picks they get for QO will be after the 4th round not the second. Not nearly enough but at least something.

Speaking of draft do the Braves get anything for MH2 winning or Strider in 2nd
 
JxnMissFan said:
I think it’s a fair comparison to assume the yearly revenue for the Braves and Mets are similar. The Mets salaries and tax bill will be almost 500 million. The Braves total revenue for 2023 will be in the 525 to 550 million range. So the Mets will be spending 90 percent of their revenue before they buy a baseball or charter a flight. The Mets have to be operating at a huge loss right now. I know the owner is a billionaire but even billionaires will get tired of pumping hundreds of millions in cash into a business every year.
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They are. Cohen already said he was willing to operate at a loss in the beginning. The Wilpons were actually operating at a loss at a much lower salary level, part of which was the debt from building Citi Field and the bonds that were issued ending up classified as low grade. This is a lot of what pushed them to sell the team.
 
bravesfanMatt said:
Baseball does have a competitive balance penalty in their draft. The Mets first round pick will be 10 spots higher. 22 to 32. And those comp picks they get for QO will be after the 4th round not the second. Not nearly enough but at least something.

Speaking of draft do the Braves get anything for MH2 winning or Strider in 2nd
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Nice to know
 
NYCBrave said:
They are. Cohen already said he was willing to operate at a loss in the beginning. The Wilpons were actually operating at a loss at a much lower salary level, part of which was the debt from building Citi Field and the bonds that were issued ending up classified as low grade. This is a lot of what pushed them to sell the team.
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How does it turn into making money later though?
 
MLB needs to go to the NBA model. It allows for more max level players and rewards teams for spending money. It promotes competition throughout the sport. I know the MLBPA was offered something similar about a year ago, but it seemed really watered down. 100 million dollar floor but only a 180 million cap. I would think the floor would need to be around 150 million with a soft cap around 220 million before the MLBPA would even consider it.

But probably gotta move the Rays and Marlins to better markets first. No ownership group is gonna agree to that with how little revenue they bring in.
 
msstate7 said:
How does it turn into making money later though?
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Well Cohen has said his plan is to spend a ton of money early on so that they can contend while operating at a loss. And then also invest a ton of money behind the scenes to bring their baseball development and analytics out of the stone age, so they can operate like the Dodgers and churn out cheap high end talent.

I'm not sure how I see this working though if they won't even give their top prospects the chance to play and develop at the majors. Baty and Vientos are ready but have nowhere to play
 
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