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Correa on a high AAV for a couple years would be great if the Mets deal falls through. Us and the Twins would be the only teams left.
 
chop2chip said:
What’s the alternative to these extensions?

We could sign more free agents and those same type of risks exist, and at a higher price.

We could trade Riley and Olson (the Rays model). But that simply doesn’t make sense when you can support a $200m payroll.

Given the increase in $ per war this off-season, locking in great players at yesterday’s prices are slam dunk wins. Of course, that doesn’t mean there isn’t any risk, but alternatives and context matters.
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And that's the issue. There really is no alternative. The minor league system is barren. The Braves can't and won't afford top end free agents. So the only realistic path is to sign these extensions of high end talent and save some money in the process. Not saying it will work, but I'm also not sure what a clearer alternative was.
 
NYCBrave said:
And that's the issue. There really is no alternative. The minor league system is barren. The Braves can't and won't afford top end free agents. So the only realistic path is to sign these extensions of high end talent and save some money in the process. Not saying it will work, but I'm also not sure what a clearer alternative was.
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It’s a very solid plan, and I’m not trying to say otherwise (though I’ll flat out state I’m against the Olson extension). I’m just pointing out the full cost of the plan. These players didn’t just decide to be charitable and give the Braves a discount. They got something in return…a massive shift in risk.
 
Enscheff said:
It’s a very solid plan, and I’m not trying to say otherwise (though I’ll flat out state I’m against the Olson extension). I’m just pointing out the full cost of the plan. These players didn’t just decide to be charitable and give the Braves a discount. They got something in return…a massive shift in risk.
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I always felt the process behind the Olson extension was suspect. Set an arbitrary deadline to get a deal done before a press conference and make an offer that’s so good the player doesn’t feel like he even needs to counter.

At least Inflation makes that deal much more palatable.
 
Even if the Mets deal falls through, I doubt Correa signs another short-term deal with a high AAV. He basically did that last offseason, played well, and (in this scenario) two teams have still walked away due to medical concerns. So I don't think there would be much upside for Correa in another prove-it deal -- if he signs a one-year contract, hits the ever-loving crap out of the ball again and hits free agency one more time next year, the medical issues are still going to be there. I suspect he and Boras will just aim at getting as much money as possible for as long as possible -- maybe the Twins will still honor their 12/$285 offer.
 
MadduxFanII said:
Even if the Mets deal falls through, I doubt Correa signs another short-term deal with a high AAV. He basically did that last offseason, played well, and (in this scenario) two teams have still walked away due to medical concerns. So I don't think there would be much upside for Correa in another prove-it deal -- if he signs a one-year contract, hits the ever-loving crap out of the ball again and hits free agency one more time next year, the medical issues are still going to be there. I suspect he and Boras will just aim at getting as much money as possible for as long as possible -- maybe the Twins will still honor their 12/$285 offer.
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If this deal falls through, Correa's value falls with it imo
 
msstate7 said:
If this deal falls through, Correa's value falls with it imo
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No doubt. But even if that happens, and even if the Twins aren't willing to go back to 12/$285, could Correa and Boras still get, I don't know, 10/$250? Maybe 8/$220? Definitely disappointing, but locking in over 200 million in guaranteed money seems like a better bet than signing another short-term deal and hoping you can come back in another year or two and get the long-term deal you want with more miles on the tires and the same medical concerns.
 
MadduxFanII said:
No doubt. But even if that happens, and even if the Twins aren't willing to go back to 12/$285, could Correa and Boras still get, I don't know, 10/$250? Maybe 8/$220? Definitely disappointing, but locking in over 200 million in guaranteed money seems like a better bet than signing another short-term deal and hoping you can come back in another year or two and get the long-term deal you want with more miles on the tires and the same medical concerns.
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From what I can gather the concerns are with the fibula injury he suffered in 2014. It seems like there are questions about how it was surgically repaired, how it healed, or how something associated with it is deteriorating. So I think you’re right, and these concerns are never going to go away.

However, if the long term contract offers are low enough, Correa may be best served playing out his career on a series of short term high AAV deals. At that point he becomes a prime target for AA.
 
tululush said:
What are the odds the Mets walk away? I doubt it with Cohen and all his money.
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Yeah, realistically I think this is too far along and the likeliest result is that they tweak the deal in some ways to give the Mets more protection.

Though I suppose if what they see on the tests is truly terrifying and potentially catastrophic, then you just deal with the embarrassment and walk away. But I think that's probably doubtful.
 
MadduxFanII said:
Yeah, realistically I think this is too far along and the likeliest result is that they tweak the deal in some ways to give the Mets more protection.

Though I suppose if what they see on the tests is truly terrifying and potentially catastrophic, then you just deal with the embarrassment and walk away. But I think that's probably doubtful.
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Cohen has already gone on record talking about the deal, so Mets may be forced to honor the original agreement if Boras filed a grievance.
 
Seeing the Mets get stuck with Correa would be great. How did they not look at the physicals before agreeing to a deal? Idiots.
 
Hudson2 said:
Seeing the Mets get stuck with Correa would be great. How did they not look at the physicals before agreeing to a deal? Idiots.
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This is actually pretty standard process. Teams don’t get to do a full physical until a preliminary agreement is in place. The physical is usually the last step before the press conference and signing of the contract
 
chop2chip said:
What’s the alternative to these extensions?

We could sign more free agents and those same type of risks exist, and at a higher price.

We could trade Riley and Olson (the Rays model). But that simply doesn’t make sense when you can support a $200m payroll.

Given the increase in $ per war this off-season, locking in great players at yesterday’s prices are slam dunk wins. Of course, that doesn’t mean there isn’t any risk, but alternatives and context matters.
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I don't know Strider's arbitration status and whether he'd a be a Super-2 after the 2023 season, but I would have waited a year on both Strider and Harris before extending.

On Riley and Olson, I think both of those guys may hit the decline button (and perhaps markedly so) midway through their deals. Granted, the low on-going salaries may allow them to be dumped without having to either send money or attach prospects. The thing with both of them is that their power numbers shouldn't completely collapse, but Riley is probably two or three seasons away from full-time DHing.

As some have said, we are painted into a bit of a corner. Team is pretty good if they stay healthy, but there's not much wiggle room (or at least there doesn't appear to be).
 
With the way contracts are inflating Strider and Harris would have to be really bad and/or injured to not be worth their contracts.
 
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