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Farm system perceptions change quickly.

Nobody really knows what guys below AA are going to develop into.

The Dodgers are a great example of a team who makes the playoffs every year, drafts low in the first round as a result, and continues to maintain a top farm system. All has to do with picking the right guys in the draft, developing your players, and also signing high end international talent.
 
The Dodgers are a great example of a team who makes the playoffs every year, drafts low in the first round as a result, and continues to maintain a top farm system. All has to do with picking the right guys in the draft, developing your players, and also signing high end international talent.

Now that AA has had time to sign the major league core long term, and no more restrictions for drafting domestic ajd international, let's see how the next few years goes with developing the farm.
 
The Dodgers are a great example of a team who makes the playoffs every year, drafts low in the first round as a result, and continues to maintain a top farm system. All has to do with picking the right guys in the draft, developing your players, and also signing high end international talent.

This angle gets overlooked a lot. Solid minor league instruction is a key to keeping a farm system producing. You can draft every high-ceiling guy in the world, but they still have to learn a lot of nuance and refine their skills to meet the challenges that await at higher levels of competition. Braves' pitching instruction in the 1990s was an example of how that works along with the Dodgers' on-going success of being able to plug guys in.
 
This angle gets overlooked a lot. Solid minor league instruction is a key to keeping a farm system producing. You can draft every high-ceiling guy in the world, but they still have to learn a lot of nuance and refine their skills to meet the challenges that await at higher levels of competition. Braves' pitching instruction in the 1990s was an example of how that works along with the Dodgers' on-going success of being able to plug guys in.

The Dodgers also benefit from being able to buy free agents to fill holes and so don't have to trade from their minor league depth as much. That's a luxury a lot of teams don't have.
 
The Dodgers also benefit from being able to buy free agents to fill holes and so don't have to trade from their minor league depth as much. That's a luxury a lot of teams don't have.

Yeah cannot state how powerful it is to have the ability to just buy players. As well as keep key players they developed. It's one thing to develop Kershaw, it's another to be able to pay him until he's ineffective.
 
Some interesting position players from the 2022 draft (Alvarez, Baldwin, McCabe) and a few of the later position picks in the OF (Kilpatrick, Williams, Jackson) that might have some buzz, but for the most part, it'll be the pitchers from the 2022 draft (Murphy, Ritchie, Phillips, Maier, Keller, Burkhalter) and a couple of pitchers from the 2021 draft (Smith-Shawver and Shoemaker) that have the greatest chance of moving the needle significantly upwards.

Not much in terms of ceiling on the holdover guys from earlier drafts and signings. Shuster is at the top of the list of likely contributors in 2023, followed by Vodnik and Vines. If Shewmake hits, he could prove valuable if the big league SS experiment with Grissom and Arcia is found to be wanting. A solid return for Franklin would be a plus. The best of the remaining guys look to be utility IFs (Quintero, Conley, Waddell, Milligan) and a sleeper catching prospect in Tolve. OF Tyler Collins missed most of the 2022 season with an injury and he's another guy to watch. I think it's a make-or-break season for guys like Mezquita, Morton, Paolini, and Backstrom, who have all shown something, but not consistently. Our most notable signings from the last couple of international groups (Tavarez, Glod, Benitez) all underperformed in terms of their surface stats, but it's really difficult to make a solid judgment from performance--good or bad--in the short-season leagues.

Can't stress enough how the international sanctions hurt the Braves. Bae and Soto are now in the major leagues and I wouldn't be surprised if Severino joins them in 2023.

PS--Forgot to add LHP Dylan Dodd, who could be in the mix for the back end of the rotation at some point in the near future.

PPS--RHP Schwellenbach also someone to watch coming off Tommy John surgery.

Alvarez is probably the position player I'm most excited to see in 2023, at least from the 2022 draft—he looks like he could be a real gem, if some of the things he showed his brief professional career (51 PA at CPX, 71 PA at Low-A) can be sustained going forward. Namely, he showed really great strike-zone judgment (13.7% bb / 11.8% k at CPX; insane 26.8% bb / 12.7% k in Low-A); while his defense at 3B was reportedly better-than-advertised at draft-time, enough so that he might be able to handle SS. And this all occurred at age-19, since he was young for a college draftee, coming from the JUCO ranks. He's a guy I think could increase in perceived value quite quickly, if that performance is more real than small-sample mirage.

It'd be nice if just one of the toolsy OFs could make a big jump (Morton, Collins, Williams, Jackson, Kilpatrick—while I've pretty much given up on Paolini); more than one would be gravy. Ditto the Tavarez, Glod, Benitez trio—just one big jump there would be phenomenal. With Glod and Benitez, they showed good BB and K rates, but not much else, in their first year stateside; meanwhile, Tavarez is in the Collins boat, where we haven't really been able to see him due to injury issues. But there's been some good video of Tavarez's winter-league work this offseason, so I'm excited to see if he can hit the ground running in 2023 and cash in some of his promise.

I don't have much faith in any of that Quintero/Conley/Waddell/Milligan quartet. I like Milligan more than I should, just because he has that boatload-of-walks offensive profile, but his ceiling is most likely defensively-limited bench option (2B/OF); though, if everything broke he could maybe play himself into a fringe starter at 2B for a team that doesn't have a firmly-entrenched, highly-charismatic All Star 2B. After him, there's Conley, who at least made strides in adapting his power to the wooden bat during the 2022 season—and looked pretty solid to me when I saw him in the AZ Fall League. Neither Quintero nor Waddell do much for me, though Fangraphs likes the former a lot more than many outlets.

But pitching is the strength of the system, currently—and given the MLB roster construction, it's not the worst to have a bunch of high-floor, back-end types at AAA (even after trading off Muller and Tarnok), while likewise seeing a lot of higher-ceiling, slower-moving guys populating Low- and High-A. I just wish there looked to be any hitter with a pulse above A-ball (with a healthy Franklin being the possible exception), given that—as I said above—it currently appears the Braves would be hard-pressed to weather injuries at the MLB corners with even a half-competent step-in option. This is especially true for the infield corners. In the OF, it obviously it doesn't help matters that the guy currently ticketed for the most PAs in LF is projected to be sub-replacement; but at least there they're going to see what sticks with Luplow, Hilliard, and Pillar.
 
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Shame that Shohei and Trout are wasting away in Anaheim.

I wish ANaheim would sell them. Unfortunately one team most likely ot be able to get Trout or Shohei is likely the Mets who have the prospects and the money.

Shohei to Seattle is something I want. Seattle has will kill with Shohei as a draw.
 
Shame that Shohei and Trout are wasting away in Anaheim.

I wish ANaheim would sell them. Unfortunately one team most likely ot be able to get Trout or Shohei is likely the Mets who have the prospects and the money.

Shohei to Seattle is something I want. Seattle has will kill with Shohei as a draw.

Cohen has been reluctant to give up prospects or sign players with QO's to this point. I think Ohtani stays on the West Coast. Not sure about Trout.
 
Cohen has been reluctant to give up prospects or sign players with QO's to this point. I think Ohtani stays on the West Coast. Not sure about Trout.

Trout wants to go to Philly, Philly wants Trout, I don't think LAA lets him leave. SHohei is money to them, but Trout is a franchise legend. He could be WIllie Mays to them.
 
The Dodgers are a great example of a team who makes the playoffs every year, drafts low in the first round as a result, and continues to maintain a top farm system. All has to do with picking the right guys in the draft, developing your players, and also signing high end international talent.

The Braves are also a good example of this. They graduated the top 2 rookies in 2022 from a farm system ranked last or almost last. I don’t think any other organization can make that claim.
 
Trout wants to go to Philly, Philly wants Trout, I don't think LAA lets him leave. SHohei is money to them, but Trout is a franchise legend. He could be WIllie Mays to them.

id Trout wanted to go that badly he wouldn’t have signed a massive extension in LA not long ago.
 
Trout wants to go to Philly, Philly wants Trout, I don't think LAA lets him leave. SHohei is money to them, but Trout is a franchise legend. He could be WIllie Mays to them.

I'm not sure Trout does want to go to Philly.

I read an article in the past couple of years that addressed this with Trout. He said something to the effect of not wanting the pressure of going home at this stage of his career. There is definitely some logic to his thinking if that is indeed the case.
 
The Braves are also a good example of this. They graduated the top 2 rookies in 2022 from a farm system ranked last or almost last. I don’t think any other organization can make that claim.

amen. I think the braves have been a big time drafter and developer of talent. They have so many guys that they developed. Most were not high picks or big signs.

I do wish they'd draft more upside in round 1 vs college 4/5 starter, but what do I know?

The results have been really positive. I'm sure there are things they can do better on. They are not known for squeezing value out of a platoon or position player scrap heap like SF. They have put together really good catching numbers without high investments (until this year where the investment is very high). They have discovered and/or reclaimed a pitcher or two. As of now, they have not traded away an impact guy.

Our system is bad b/c:
1. Young guys flew through the system: Grissom (22 and only a little AA experience), Harris (21 and only a little AA experience), Strider and Elder were 2020 draft guys.
2. No international guys.
3. We traded away a lot of depth to get Olson and Murphy. Some depth for some other, minor deals to compete.

Hard to complain about the Braves.

I didn't want to put any resources into 1B. I wanted to go for a 1-2 year bat and just repeat.
I did not understand giving rosario two years. But I would have been happy with 1.
I wanted us to get a SS so Grissom has to earn the job vs get it by default.

But I also thought we should have sold when we won the WS because, "It wasn't our year." So again, what do I know? AA's been really good at this. Perfect, no. But really good at this.
 
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