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thethe said:
Annoyed? Is that what you think I am?

I'll be right here when you have enough 'evidence' to understand whats happening.
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we'll I've argued with you in good faith... on things like social security, covid, defense spending, trump's record, DeSantis' record, etc.

I've pushed you to provide actual evidence and substance to your claims.

I've done my best to do exactly that

You have truly failed in this argument. You telling me that one day the evidence will be come clear is not good enough. Sounds like a religious faith to me.

I have an actual record to make my opinions off of. Trump was President for 4 years. DeSantis has been governor for 4+ years. I observe what both of them say. I observe what they prioritize. I see their behavior. It is clear to me that neither is perfect but one is substantially more competent and capable, and certainly less of an egomaniac and an emotional basket case than the other

But if you ever provided any EVIDENCE to your claims I would be persuadable... as I was originally anti-trump and then persuaded to be for trump... I am persuadable as to why Trump is much preferable Thant RDS, despite a pretty clear record of shortcomings
 
thethe: DeSantis has sold out to the uniparty

also thethe: actions speak louder than words

sturg: what actions has DeSantis done to make you think he has "sold out to the uniparty"

thethe: Steve Bannon said he did

^ that is literally the summary of the exchange
 
sturg33 said:
we'll I've argued with you in good faith... on things like social security, covid, defense spending, trump's record, DeSantis' record, etc.

I've pushed you to provide actual evidence and substance to your claims.

I've done my best to do exactly that

You have truly failed in this argument. You telling me that one day the evidence will be come clear is not good enough. Sounds like a religious faith to me.

I have an actual record to make my opinions off of. Trump was President for 4 years. DeSantis has been governor for 4+ years. I observe what both of them say. I observe what they prioritize. I see their behavior. It is clear to me that neither is perfect but one is substantially more competent and capable, and certainly less of an egomaniac and an emotional basket case than the other

But if you ever provided any EVIDENCE to your claims I would be persuadable... as I was originally anti-trump and then persuaded to be for trump... I am persuadable as to why Trump is much preferable Thant RDS, despite a pretty clear record of shortcomings
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You are saying I've failed because it doesn't meet the Sturg arbitrary standards. I'm perfectly comfortable with that. I know what my record is historically and I'm happy to put my flag down on this and we will see which of us who have been right a lot that last few years ends up being right.
 
A great question... team trump is abusing the legal system to remove political opponents

shameful

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sturg33 said:
A great question... team trump is abusing the legal system to remove political opponents

shameful

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Isn't the FL legislature trying to change the laws so that Desantis can campaign while being Gov?
 
thethe said:
You are saying I've failed because it doesn't meet the Sturg arbitrary standards. I'm perfectly comfortable with that. I know what my record is historically and I'm happy to put my flag down on this and we will see which of us who have been right a lot that last few years ends up being right.
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I think it is fair to say that you know what you believe but you do not know why you believe it
 
thethe said:
Steve Bannon has been intricate in my political philosophy just like Ron Paul effectively shaped yours.
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yes but if Ron Paul told me the earth was flat I wouldn't blindly believe it and post about the earth being flat on this board... and one day the evidence will be clear to you all. just you wait!
 
sturg33 said:
yes but if Ron Paul told me the earth was flat I wouldn't blindly believe it and post about the earth being flat on this board... and one day the evidence will be clear to you all. just you wait!
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Has Bannon told me something equivalent to that?
 
sturg33 said:
Yes they are.

And trump paid off the porn star.

Both legal actions politically motivated to target opponents.

Shameful!
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So what you're saying is that Desantis is breaking an actual law and is not servicing the people he has sworn to represent by campaigning and thats all well and good because he is your guy?

Man should declare and stop trying to play both sides. Ultimately what is being done is the uniparty is using Desantis to weaken Trump long term. Sadly its working.

They don't give a **** about Desantis. Its all about getting their party back.
 
thethe said:
Has Bannon told me something equivalent to that?
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He's told you that Karl Rove is running RDS campaign... but you can offer no evidence that that is true

He's told you that RDS "has sold out to the uniparty"... but you can offer no evidence that that is true

Yet here you are stating both of these things as if they are facts. Because Steve Bannon said so. This is not different at all from the leftist seals getting their opinions fed to them from the tv box
 
thethe said:
So what you're saying is that Desantis is breaking an actual law and is not servicing the people he has sworn to represent by campaigning and thats all well and good because he is your guy?

Man should declare and stop trying to play both sides. Ultimately what is being done is the uniparty is using Desantis to weaken Trump long term. Sadly its working.

They don't give a **** about Desantis. Its all about getting their party back.
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Well I don't think he's broken any laws. Team Trump believes he is because they are scared of him and willing to try to remove the best governor in the country from the most important state in the country because they are scared.

But let's say he is breaking an actual law.

I see two people who broke laws. I see the legal system going after both of them. I see outrage from team Trump on the case against him... and I see team trump doing the exact same thing to his political opponent.
 
sturg33 said:
He's told you that Karl Rove is running RDS campaign... but you can offer no evidence that that is true

He's told you that RDS "has sold out to the uniparty"... but you can offer no evidence that that is true

Yet here you are stating both of these things as if they are facts. Because Steve Bannon said so. This is not different at all from the leftist seals getting their opinions fed to them from the tv box
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Book deals are how the money is transferred. It happens all the time in politics.

Like I said. We will see who ends up being right.
 
thethe said:
I've told you exactly why I believe it. It just doesn't agree with you so it can't be valid.
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Perhaps I missed it then... those damn pain killers. I'll ask you again

what actions has RDS done to have you convinced he has "sold out to the uniparty"

As you have clearly stated, actions speak louder than words. So please, explain why you are so convinced so I can review the evidence myself
 
thethe said:
Book deals are how the money is transferred. It happens all the time in politics.

Like I said. We will see who ends up being right.
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You know what I'm about to do, right?

Here you are making a new claim.

Fine - claims are good in my book.

So, what evidence do you have that (I presume your saying) RDS is siphoning off books sales to pay Karl Rove and Paul Ryan

and

What evidence do you have that Karl Rove and Paul Ryan are running his campaign?

(by not it should embarrass you that you fervently believe these things but cannot offer any proof as to why)
 
I’ve never said he’s using book sales to pay them. He got a book deals as a payment from the establishment. Desantis hasn’t made big money in his life. He should take to support his family. But those types of donations have obligations attached.
 
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