This is getting ridiculous

AerchAngel said:
I am not on a high horse per se. I just tell you how I feel. Judge me you can, change my mind, you cannot. Marriage in God's eyes is about procreation so children and then their children and so on and so forth, be fruitful and multiply He said. It is His will we do this, but we have a choice, those who don't want to have children it is their choice, He is not making them. A sacrament to the church is to multiply, but even under that guise is troublesome as some multiply out of greed and stupidity, but a soul is a soul and we must honor that if you believe and if you don't, again, that is your choice and I am not the person to judge you.
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I think there are arguments against gay marriage, but by the definition you'e trotted out here, my second marriage would be invalid because my wife was beyond her childbearing years when we wed. We could have chosen to attempt to multiply, but that wouldn't have mattered given the physical reality of the situation.

I get the "second class citizen argument" put forward by the GLBT lobby and it resonates with me somewhat, but I don't know if the hounding of guys like Eich do much good for anyone. I'm just saying this is a slippery slope. But don't get me wrong, there are a lot of groups out there that would love to make every member of the GLBT lobby and their allies second class citizens.

I don't necessarily agree with a lot of the folks at Front Porch Republic, but there are some fairly deep (mostly conservative) thinkers over there and they can be thought-provoking. Found this entry from today to be one worth reading, although I don't agree with much of it.

Link: http://www.frontporchrepublic.com/2014/04/equality-culture-perpetual-offense/
 
50PoundHead said:
I think there are arguments against gay marriage, but by the definition you'e trotted out here, my second marriage would be invalid because my wife was beyond her childbearing years when we wed. We could have chosen to attempt to multiply, but that wouldn't have mattered given the physical reality of the situation.

I get the "second class citizen argument" put forward by the GLBT lobby and it resonates with me somewhat, but I don't know if the hounding of guys like Eich do much good for anyone. I'm just saying this is a slippery slope. But don't get me wrong, there are a lot of groups out there that would love to make every member of the GLBT lobby and their allies second class citizens.

I don't necessarily agree with a lot of the folks at Front Porch Republic, but there are some fairly deep (mostly conservative) thinkers over there and they can be thought-provoking. Found this entry from today to be one worth reading, although I don't agree with much of it.

Link: http://www.frontporchrepublic.com/2014/04/equality-culture-perpetual-offense/
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Actually you two didn't get the gist of what I was referring to.

Of course many people can't have kids, what I am referring to you and Gary is that male/female can in most cases produce biologically, you can't in any other instance of same sex unless you are Jesus. I don't think He is going to be upset if you can't have kids but the normality of human nature is innate in us. I know many people that can't have kids due to defects and I don't treat them any more different than I treat normal people or gays. This mindset that I anti-gay is kind of absurd childish to me to be honest and people getting upset shouldn't. I am not denying them anything, not one thing but they are denying me my own opinions based on religion, not everyday life. There is a difference between accepting and denying.

As how I feel "How dare they try to force me to accept them into my religion." Religion is sacred to every individual on this Earth. My best friend on here is Dalyn and he is atheist, do you think I think any less of him than Christians? No. He doesn't force nor bully me to accept it and make me submit to it. All he ask is to accept him for who he is keeping religion out of it or any discussion. See how easy that is. That his how I feel about gays. I am not going to force them to breakup or say HEATHEN YOU HAVE SIN. I do not judge. But I am not going accept them in my christian view of the world and they are going to have to accept it because there is no way in hell I am going to change my mind no matter how much bullying they do.
 
Basically.

Marriage is between Man and Women in the Christian world and I believe that and will always. Bullies can try and change my mind but it won't. What can you do to me that have already been done? Nothing. It doesn't affect my life in any shape or form.

They got the "marriage" or "contract" as I call in the corporate world and that is enough, publicly you have your wishes but privately you can't force people nor people should be forced just like serving Jews, Blacks, Hispanics and what not if they don't agree with them or their kind. I agree with this even though I am black. If you don't want to serve me because you feel like that, no sweat off my back because that is your prerogative.
 
50PoundHead said:
I think there are arguments against gay marriage, but by the definition you'e trotted out here, my second marriage would be invalid because my wife was beyond her childbearing years when we wed. We could have chosen to attempt to multiply, but that wouldn't have mattered given the physical reality of the situation.

I get the "second class citizen argument" put forward by the GLBT lobby and it resonates with me somewhat, but I don't know if the hounding of guys like Eich do much good for anyone. I'm just saying this is a slippery slope. But don't get me wrong, there are a lot of groups out there that would love to make every member of the GLBT lobby and their allies second class citizens.

I don't necessarily agree with a lot of the folks at Front Porch Republic, but there are some fairly deep (mostly conservative) thinkers over there and they can be thought-provoking. Found this entry from today to be one worth reading, although I don't agree with much of it.

Link: http://www.frontporchrepublic.com/2014/04/equality-culture-perpetual-offense/
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Solid article.

I think it points our exactly what my issue is. That the LGBT group (in this case) will disregard any basic human freedoms in the name of their agenda. They have every right to do it of course, but I believe it ultimately hurts their cause. I, for one, am less likely to defend such a rabid group of bullies.

Another example, my college JMU was recently overtaken by a staged crowd of LGBT students... They spray painted "GAYMU" all over campus. Vandalized "conservative" groups meeting rooms, interrupted and walked through classes as they were happening, while screaming utter nonsense the whole time. By the time they were done, everyone was pissed off at them. As the janitors were seen scrubbing the sidewalks and walls of their vandalism, the "conservative" groups pitched in to help them clean up the campus...

Guess who won the sympathy card among the student population?
 
Curios Sturg, what happened?

Being bullied to the point of having to step down is going to get worse. Chick Fil A and Duck Dynasty, if you don't like what they stand for, don't buy their products and now Mozilla, what is next Microsoft or Apple?

Like myself, I can't force whites to accept me fully and don't want them to. If they want to harbor those feelings or see me as substandard, that is on them. Now you prohibit me from providing for my family or attack me physically, then we have an issue.

But in the end, I harbor what I feel and accept and don't accept and if you have a problem with that....tough schitzkis and society be damned for the bullying.
 
Krgrecw said:
Polygamy fits into the conversation.

If you redefine marriage as two consenting adults instead of man-women wouldn't you have to say 'well if two people can agree why not three?'

If, as some liberals say, not allowing gays to marry is against Thier rights, I would think they'd have to say the same about polygamy.

I'd just like to see a polygamist try to challenge it. If the Christains are in an uproar about gay marriage if like to see them Whig out over polygamy
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In theory, I have nothing against polygamy. If consenting adults want to marry each other, and it doesn't bring about abuse, and a form of slavery, who gives a ****? If it's not a part of some weird ****ing cultish practice that is deleterious to its participants...I don't care.

I also don't have anything against prostitution either...in theory again. If it's regulated and legitimate, and it treats its women (and men) with respect and dignity, who gives a ****?

I also don't care if a Japanese man wants to marry a cartoon character.

Anything else?
 
AerchAngel said:
Actually you two didn't get the gist of what I was referring to.

Of course many people can't have kids, what I am referring to you and Gary is that male/female can in most cases produce biologically, you can't in any other instance of same sex unless you are Jesus. I don't think He is going to be upset if you can't have kids but the normality of human nature is innate in us. I know many people that can't have kids due to defects and I don't treat them any more different than I treat normal people or gays. This mindset that I anti-gay is kind of absurd childish to me to be honest and people getting upset shouldn't. I am not denying them anything, not one thing but they are denying me my own opinions based on religion, not everyday life. There is a difference between accepting and denying.
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I wasn't factoring those who could not have kids. My query had to do with those who were fertile and chose not to have kids. Is that a sin? And if so, was it equal to the sinfulness of gay marriage.
 
I have paid for sex ... and I have been paid for sex.

So I'm neutral on the issue of prostitution.
 
KeithLockhart said:
Wait a second... are you talking about Bill Shanks?
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(since y'all like 'rasslin')
 
Gary82 said:
I wasn't factoring those who could not have kids. My query had to do with those who were fertile and chose not to have kids. Is that a sin? And if so, was it equal to the sinfulness of gay marriage.
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Of course not.

My belief is marriage is okay by the government for any individuals, man/woman, man/man, woman/woman 3 man/3 woman, man/beast, woman/beast. But when it comes to the church NOPE, man/women only. Only a handful of churches in American and in the world for a fact would actually do a ceremony for gay marriage. They are the fringe churches that would but most would not recognize it. It is okay to be gay, which I am 100 percent behind and you can be of the church, but your acts are against His will and most churches states that as well.

Like I said, my dealings with gays, mostly family and friends are like no other but they know where my line stands in regards to marriage in the church/religion and it ends there. They seem to respect that and have no issue with it and they do not understand why it is blown out of proportion. The government gives them their monetary rights like any other married coupl and that is what they were looking for.
 
AerchAngel said:
They are the fringe churches that would but most would not recognize it. It is okay to be gay, which I am 100 percent behind and you can be of the church, but your acts are against His will and most churches states that as well.
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Churches will become more accepting of gay marriage in time. In a generation, it will have wide acceptance (among the electorate, not church going demographic as a whole.) As each generation grows up with its acceptance, it will become more and more of a non issue.

I don't believe it will be a hot issue like abortion, where we will NEVER move on. :facepalm:
 
Gary82 said:
Churches will become more accepting of gay marriage in time. In a generation, it will have wide acceptance (among the electorate, not church going demographic as a whole.) As each generation grows up with its acceptance, it will become more and more of a non issue.

I don't believe it will be a hot issue like abortion, where we will NEVER move on. :facepalm:
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It is already widely accepted in most churches just don't slob the knob or wet the carpet and they are okay with it. You just cant get married in church unless they rewrite history (bible) and that ain't happening. Nothing wrong with that. You got a government marriage. What's so important with a church marriage to you or them, really? You slob the knob or wet the carpet as same sex is sin. If you don't care that is your choice and I am not your judge, be happy and do it with your hearts content, makes no difference to me.

As for abortion, kill a baby, it's sin. Case in point, girl preggy at 14 weeks, drunk driver hit her, kill baby, he/she is up for murder charges, but if mom takes a coat hanger to her/him at 14 weeks it's okay. Hmmmm?
 
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