This is getting ridiculous

Just like the entire duck dynasty saga, free speech is allowed by everyone but there are consequences in the private sector for things you say.

Can't count the amount of conservatives that said Phil getting suspended by a&e for his comments was a&e violating his free speech rights. Free speech is protected by you against the government not your employer.

Free market dealt with this. People wanted him out and now he's out. No idea why you don't understand this sturg.
 
You guys completely misunderstood my criticism…

What is ridiculous is the REACTION of the left. They are the most sensitive group of people in world history
 
Just like the entire duck dynasty saga, free speech is allowed by everyone but there are consequences in the private sector for things you say.

Can't count the amount of conservatives that said Phil getting suspended by a&e for his comments was a&e violating his free speech rights. Free speech is protected by you against the government not your employer.

Free market dealt with this. People wanted him out and now he's out. No idea why you don't understand this sturg.

Come on SAV, you know what I'm talking about (not sure if you were talking to me or not, just thought I would go ahead and clarify) I always said A&E or whatever network it was probably had every legal right to fire Phil or rehire them once they started catch flack for firing him, that's not what I'm talking about, I'm talking about how everybody (pretty much) on the left jumps all over people who say anything negative about certain subjects, such as same sex relations. The true measure of whether a person, group, or nation really cares about freedom of speech is whether they do/don't defend the free speech rights of a person who DISAGREES with them. You guys have now got it to where as long as people agree with you, they're cool and deserve all those 1st amendment protections, but anything they say that bothers you, all you have to do is brand whatever they said as "hate speech" and then you don't have to allow it. What's any different about that attitude and the attitude of the Cheney administration practicing the same kind of censure (or in some cases even character assassination) of anyone who disagreed with their "we'll invade any damn place we want and anyone who questions is just doesn't support the troops"?? Remember a real champion of free speech stands up next to someone they absolutely loathe when their rights to free speech are being challenged as they do when it's someone they agree with 100%
 
You guys completely misunderstood my criticism…

What is ridiculous is the REACTION of the left. They are the most sensitive group of people in world history

I think this guy might give them a run for their money (though I do agree they're pretty touchy)

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I'll let you guys caption it.
 
You guys completely misunderstood my criticism…

What is ridiculous is the REACTION of the left. They are the most sensitive group of people in world history

yes, the other side that thinks Christians are being persecuted in this country and that there is a war on Christmas is the bastion of sanity

congrats on going wedge issue though and telling the free market how to act. the free market loves regulations

edit: i just saw "in world history" hahahaha
 
I'd be a little sensitive too if I had a political party pushing an agenda to constitutionally discriminate against me, and at the same time pass state laws that would make it easier to discriminate against me.

Do you think if gay rights' activists weren't as sensitive and just passive, that there would be legalized same sex marriage in as many states as there are?
 
yes, the other side that thinks Christians are being persecuted in this country and that there is a war on Christmas is the bastion of sanity

congrats on going wedge issue though and telling the free market how to act. the free market loves regulations

edit: i just saw "in world history" hahahaha

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Come on SAV, you know what I'm talking about (not sure if you were talking to me or not, just thought I would go ahead and clarify) I always said A&E or whatever network it was probably had every legal right to fire Phil or rehire them once they started catch flack for firing him, that's not what I'm talking about, I'm talking about how everybody (pretty much) on the left jumps all over people who say anything negative about certain subjects, such as same sex relations. The true measure of whether a person, group, or nation really cares about freedom of speech is whether they do/don't defend the free speech rights of a person who DISAGREES with them. You guys have now got it to where as long as people agree with you, they're cool and deserve all those 1st amendment protections, but anything they say that bothers you, all you have to do is brand whatever they said as "hate speech" and then you don't have to allow it. What's any different about that attitude and the attitude of the Cheney administration practicing the same kind of censure (or in some cases even character assassination) of anyone who disagreed with their "we'll invade any damn place we want and anyone who questions is just doesn't support the troops"?? Remember a real champion of free speech stands up next to someone they absolutely loathe when their rights to free speech are being challenged as they do when it's someone they agree with 100%

I loathe the KKK, but I still respect their right to protest like they did in Atlanta. Do I agree with it? Absolutely not, but if I can do everything I can within the boundaries of law to put them out of business I would.

I think businesses more than anything understand how much money gay's have, and gay supporters. You discriminate against 1 gay person, you aren't factoring in their friends whom will find out and protest your business as well. Gay rights have evolved, and are no longer gays themselves. You see parents of gay kids going out and marching now in support as well, that was unheard of decades ago.

I think what people are confusing, is free speech and opinions that have consequences. Like Zito said, progressive company, progressive consumers, should know better. If you're a liberal campaign manager, there's a 99.9% certainty you aren't going to work and manage a Republican campaign. You still respect the Republican campaign's right to free speech, but you are working against them.

Politics should not be in the workplace, so this CEO resigning is a prime example of it.

CEO's not going to jail, he's not being deported.

People called for his ousting, and if there wasn't financial components to this he'd still be working.

EDIT: I wasn't talking to you BTW, I was directing to sturg.
 
Eich should sue Mozilla for discrimination. And the HRC. He'd probably win. I don't think I've ever seen such an egregious example of corporate bigotry exhibited before.

If the tables were turned in this situation -- a conservative board pushing out a CEO over a donation against Prop 8 -- people would be going caustically ballistic.
 
I honestly think this kind of thing turns people off of the gay marriage movement. This is pretty extremist. I mean honestly gays are winning/are going to win the gay marriage battle so why bother with something so petty? This seems unnecessarily mean spirited. Just a case of mob mentality.
 
I moved this to the top so that I could respond to it first. EDIT: I wasn't talking to you BTW, I was directing to sturg. I apologize, I had been meaning to address this for a while, I just never saw the opportunity. I guess I should have waited until I found a better opportunity, I just jumped in here, sorry about that.

I loathe the KKK, but I still respect their right to protest like they did in Atlanta. Do I agree with it? Absolutely not, but if I can do everything I can within the boundaries of law to put them out of business I would.---This is how I feel. Sometimes you have to "hold your nose" while you're doing the right thing in a democracy.

I think businesses more than anything understand how much money gay's have, and gay supporters. You discriminate against 1 gay person, you aren't factoring in their friends whom will find out and protest your business as well. Gay rights have evolved, and are no longer gays themselves. You see parents of gay kids going out and marching now in support as well, that was unheard of decades ago. I'm actually fine with the Rosa Parks approach, get together with a business or a person if you don't agree with them, but I do think weso has a point on this, any time you have a group that already has the pitchforks and torches out and ready to go and you jump on anyone who disagrees with your point of view that's more mobocracy than democracy and you know as well as I do we're moving towards that on both the left and right wings in this country. The prevalence of social media is probably what is most responsible for things getting to this point IMO. I've always said that I'm against same sex marriage being equated with regular marriage, even though I would never be for any state passing a law to discriminate against them and I've also always said that if any given state votes to legalize it then so be it. That's what a democracy does. Oh and any person who physically harms a gay person should be immediately locked up in a prison full of them until I say they can be let out. to me there's always room for disagreements, but violence NEVER gets to enter the picture except in cases of self defense.

I think what people are confusing, is free speech and opinions that have consequences. Like Zito said, progressive company, progressive consumers, should know better. If you're a liberal campaign manager, there's a 99.9% certainty you aren't going to work and manage a Republican campaign. You still respect the Republican campaign's right to free speech, but you are working against them. As I said I'm OK with consumers spending their money hand in hand with their beliefs, but I think we should all be careful here not to get too aggressive too quickly on these things. I freakin' hate Wal Mart but I still shop there sometimes.

Politics should not be in the workplace, so this CEO resigning is a prime example of it. "Forced politics" should not be in the workplace but if I want to have a Ron Paul sticker on my desk, or a Mitt Romney sticker, or a Barrack Obama sticker, or a marriage is between 1 man and 1 women sticker, or a same sex marriage is cool sticker on my desk, any of these should be fine as long as it doesn't otherwise affect my work.

CEO's not going to jail, he's not being deported. Not today, but you can't tell me there aren't extremists in this country who wouldn't want to literally lock up anyone who disagrees with them.

People called for his ousting, and if there wasn't financial components to this he'd still be working. I saw that Dalyn liked Firefox and it used to be my favorite browser too, and on my laptop it still is, but the one of my desktop isn't very good anymore. Google Chrome has become my fave, though it has been a little shaky lately. IE now has sucked (as in being able to suck a bowling ball through a garden hose) for some time now. I NEVER use it anymore and it used to be my favorite. Maybe if he was spending the time and money to make sure his stinking browser worked correctly none of this would have happened.
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That's not what you told me via PM the other day. You went on and on about how much you love the KKK.

That's how these big time big monied discussion forum owning types are man, they say one thing in public but another thing entirely in the PMs. :icon_biggrin:
 

The gays had their pitchforks fort he Phil Robertson case. He was "suspended indefinitely", which was code for until the heat on this "controversy" died down. Robertson is back, Duck Dynasty continues to make millions.

I think having a marriage between 1 man and 1 woman sticker is worse than an Obama-Romney-Paul sticker. Most people wouldn't get offended (I see more Republicans disgusted if you say you voted for Obama than vice versa) if you said you were voting for the other party, it's when you start talking about issues specifically then it gets heated.

There are always extremists, I don't think any gay person would shoot a politician for their freedom, while on the other hand I sometimes wonder the genuine validity of things I read on the tea party facebook page about shooting Obama if he was in their city, etc.

I haven't used firefox since I had a PC, been using Mac ever since and even when I did have a PC I was leaning towards Chrome overall and sometimes Opera.

Anyways back to the issue at hand, I think Eich is moreso on the hotseat because this is a "ban" on gay marriage and not a proposal to legalize. I think the issue of banning or prohibiting something is way more testy than saying you disagree.

What OkCupid did was their choice of using free speech as well. Free Speech does not grant anyone immunity from consequences in the private sector, only from the government as we all should know. My co-manager can't tell my other co-worker he wants to sleep with her and expect to use the freedom of speech card.

Why do conservatives (maybe not yall here but the ones I've eben reading on this story) find it hard to believe that gays and liberals can organize and boycott just as well as they can? Are they not allowed the same right? I see praise for the Tea Party forcing moderate democrats out of office, as well as pressuring moderate Republicans to vote a certain way and give htem ultimatums or they'll get primaried.

This all boils down to $$$. Companies don't want politics and personal views to get in the way of business. Isn't that what conservatives want? For the business to focus on increasing profits?!?? It's a different world, and goes back to what Zito said. You are CEO of a progressive company, and your demographic is progressive. Why put yourself in that situation?
 
I get tired of the political correctness, but at the same time, think of all the careers and lives that were ruined during the Red Scare when people who did something as innocuous as attending a meeting or signing a petition got dragged through the mud (and then some). It's a bit too stylized, but the movie "Trumbo" is available for streaming at Netflix and I urge everyone to watch it. Tremendous story.
 
The gays had their pitchforks fort he Phil Robertson case. He was "suspended indefinitely", which was code for until the heat on this "controversy" died down. Robertson is back, Duck Dynasty continues to make millions.

I think having a marriage between 1 man and 1 woman sticker is worse than an Obama-Romney-Paul sticker. Most people wouldn't get offended (I see more Republicans disgusted if you say you voted for Obama than vice versa) if you said you were voting for the other party, it's when you start talking about issues specifically then it gets heated.

There are always extremists, I don't think any gay person would shoot a politician for their freedom, while on the other hand I sometimes wonder the genuine validity of things I read on the tea party facebook page about shooting Obama if he was in their city, etc.

I haven't used firefox since I had a PC, been using Mac ever since and even when I did have a PC I was leaning towards Chrome overall and sometimes Opera.

Anyways back to the issue at hand, I think Eich is moreso on the hotseat because this is a "ban" on gay marriage and not a proposal to legalize. I think the issue of banning or prohibiting something is way more testy than saying you disagree.

What OkCupid did was their choice of using free speech as well. Free Speech does not grant anyone immunity from consequences in the private sector, only from the government as we all should know. My co-manager can't tell my other co-worker he wants to sleep with her and expect to use the freedom of speech card.

Why do conservatives (maybe not yall here but the ones I've eben reading on this story) find it hard to believe that gays and liberals can organize and boycott just as well as they can? Are they not allowed the same right? I see praise for the Tea Party forcing moderate democrats out of office, as well as pressuring moderate Republicans to vote a certain way and give htem ultimatums or they'll get primaried.

This all boils down to $$$. Companies don't want politics and personal views to get in the way of business. Isn't that what conservatives want? For the business to focus on increasing profits?!?? It's a different world, and goes back to what Zito said. You are CEO of a progressive company, and your demographic is progressive. Why put yourself in that situation?

The definition of marriage has two meanings, one religious, one government sponsored. I support the latter and I call it a union, my family and kind for the most part accept it as such, but the church (black) for the most part don't. I just don't understand why we must accept something that we feel in our gut is not. I can't see how a man/man or woman/woman can have offspring unless they are herms.

It bothers me that we are pigeon holed in bigotry even though I have no problems with it. I have family and friends who are gay and they have no problems with my view and honestly they agree with me, the two of religion and government should be separated AND AGREE that people/business should not be targeted because of that. They believe it makes the problem worse and why the hatred grows. They believe that they will win the war if you can call it that, but they will cause more harm than good.

This is what Okie is referring to and I agree and my gay family and friends as well.
 
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