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I'd like more details on your characterization of 'bent over for Fauchi'. I already showed you he technically couldn't fire fauchi and then I hope you would have agreed with the logic that once the cat was out of the bag Fauchi would have been given different microphones and the same results would have ensued. The fear porn being pushed out by MSM was always hte biggest issue.

You are mischaracterizing the award intention. It was for everyone involved in Operation Warp Speed, Fauchi being one of them. This wasn't a standalone award for Fauchi's performance during COVID. THe vaccines have helped at-risk and old people. It was a great achievement.

Trump pushed alternative thereupeutics and was blasted. He told people not to be afraid. Never wore a stupid mask outdoors in public (aside from when he tested positive in October) and trashed its use. Said mandates were an awful strategy. Criticized the insane amount of testing. Always said that young people shouldn't take the vax.

Given the fact that COVID was a bioweapon to attack Trump and MAGA I think he did ok overall. What more does Sturg think he should have done that are actually realistic proposals?
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I'm currently awaiting my wife out of surgery (she's fine)... and don't want to short change you on a response. I'll address later.

I'm happy to get back to reasoned debate with you if you're up for it... but if you want to continue explaining how foolish I am... I'll make better use of my time
 
sturg33 said:
I'm currently awaiting my wife out of surgery (she's fine)... and don't want to short change you on a response. I'll address later.

I'm happy to get back to reasoned debate with you if you're up for it... but if you want to continue explaining how foolish I am... I'll make better use of my time
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Fine - Lets make a deal. Stop calling me a cultist because I support a policy set and I'll stop throwing insults back at you.
 
thethe said:
Fine - Lets make a deal. Stop calling me a cultist because I support a policy set and I'll stop throwing insults back at you.
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Are you able to understand and articulate what my actual positions are?

i.e... not assigning made up positions to me?

The entire premise of our debate is who is a better a candidate moving forward.

Unlike you, I do not have single issue situations that would completely make a candidate unvotable for me. For example, Trump is still on the table for me (but his desperate attacks to allies are wearing thin on my patience)

But my position is that your criticisms levied at RDS (covid, establishment, war, etc)... I can point to failing in the same areas (at a much worse scale) to Donald Trump.

My issues is, your criticisms of RDS appear to be deal breakers, or major red flags, or proof he is a sellout, or whatever the talking point of the day is.

But from a logical (not emotional) if these issues are deal breakers for you and RDS... then they must also be deal breakers for Trump. Each time I have shown you what I believe to a much worse shortcoming from the Trump presidency, you have excused them away... he didn't know. They were lying about the data. There was a deep state attack. He had to get ISIS... and when ISIS was defeated, he had to keep spending just in case a new threat emerges. His hires stabbed him in the back. and on and on

And all of those excuses may be completely legitimate. But I'm a logical person. So if you are willing to give DT the benefit of the doubt so generously, why are you so offended that I am doing the same (for much less transgressions, in my opinion)

A healthy conversation would be us both acknowledging the flaws of all candidates, and making the argument as to why they will be better moving forward. One of the best pieces of evidence for my criticisms against Trump is the 4 years he was in office. I don't have the same data set for RDS - who has never been president - but he is the executive of the third largest state of the union and his performance has been imperfect but exceptional
 
thethe said:
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As I said the flip on Ukraine was an obvious tell of the future.

It’s not my fault that I can see the world better than you can sturg. I’m well rewarded for my skill set!
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I believe this to be a very good thread rebutting this criticism

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sturg33 said:
I believe this to be a very good thread rebutting this criticism

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The comment of personal is policy is just straight wrong in this case. If that was the case Bolton would have gotten us into a new war. You know he wanted to.

So all Pedro is doing is a big whataboutism but loses the fact that we have an actual track record of Trump being a master at foreign policy. And yes "ISIS" was a big deal globally and it needed to be stopped. This isn't just making up WMD and then saying AH SHCUKS WE WERE WRONG.

The debt piece I'd have to move more into but Trump is a real estate guy. Debt is part of the package and debt with a negative connotation in this case is actually just completely missing the point. Would you not agree?

I'll address the longer post above before EOD>
 
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There were lots of signs. There is still time to save himself for the future but his inauthentic feel is going to be a big hurdle to overcome with low propensity and general election voters.

Say what you want about them but nobody questions authenticity when you hear Lake or Vance speak. Desantis is too rehearsed.
 
thethe said:
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There were lots of signs. There is still time to save himself for the future but his inauthentic feel is going to be a big hurdle to overcome with low propensity and general election voters.

Say what you want about them but nobody questions authenticity when you hear Lake or Vance speak. Desantis is too rehearsed.
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I question Kari Lakes authenticity. Why did she wait until after she lost at all levels of the court to tell her supporters God told her she would lose? Did you know she was a Democrat and voted for Obama and John Kerry? Did you know when Trump first took office she called for a national day of protest and mourning on his inauguration? She is anything but authentic. She saw how easily the MAGA people are to manipulate and jumped at her chance to use it to gain power. All she has to do is kiss Trumps ass and you people go ape **** for her. Just 49.99$ away from fighting off these evil liberals though. Thats monthly not a one time donation btw.
 
cajunrevenge said:
I question Kari Lakes authenticity. Why did she wait until after she lost at all levels of the court to tell her supporters God told her she would lose? Did you know she was a Democrat and voted for Obama and John Kerry? Did you know when Trump first took office she called for a national day of protest and mourning on his inauguration? She is anything but authentic. She saw how easily the MAGA people are to manipulate and jumped at her chance to use it to gain power. All she has to do is kiss Trumps ass and you people go ape **** for her. Just 49.99$ away from fighting off these evil liberals though. Thats monthly not a one time donation btw.
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The argument "Did you know she voted Democrat (similar to how I voted for OBama in 2008)" is not what you guys think it is. It just means that we aren't traditional R that sell out their voters every chance tehy get. The Demorats moved so far left that they opened up a grand coalition of working class voters. Go look at the polling now in the R primary. People under 50K OVERWHELMINGLY support Trump as well as non-white. That is going to be the same thing nationally as the Democrats left their voters behind a long time ago for Wall Street and Silicon Valley.
 
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The Waco crowd for Trump.

There were more people in line for bathrooms at the Taylor Swift concert.


but have to say I am looking forward to the next week long 24/7 installment of the Right Brothers
compelling Trump v Desantis


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*and half of them were undercover FBI.
 
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The Lincoln Project
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DeSantis' support is tanking. To be fair, it started tanking the second he began speaking more on a national stage.
@StuartPStevens
with some thoughts on why Ron doesn’t have what it takes to make it to the 2024 finish line.
 
I like DeSantis but his lack of charisma makes it difficult to win on a national stage. It's a shame because he's the best candidate out there.
 
57Brave said:
The Lincoln Project
@ProjectLincoln
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DeSantis' support is tanking. To be fair, it started tanking the second he began speaking more on a national stage.
@StuartPStevens
with some thoughts on why Ron doesn’t have what it takes to make it to the 2024 finish line.
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It is great to see the Lincoln project, the MSM, and team trump all rallying around each other
 
Garmel said:
I like DeSantis but his lack of charisma makes it difficult to win on a national stage. It's a shame because he's the best candidate out there.
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The GOP saga is going to have a lot of twists and turns. The Bragg indictment (assuming it comes down) helps very poorly chosen one rally the base. But in a sense it is also a gimme for DeSantis and Pence and the others. They can criticize Bragg and show themselves to be loyal party men and women. This will somewhat inoculate them for what comes later. It will give them a degree of freedom to depart from very poorly chosen one when more serious charges are brought by Willis and Smith. I say somewhat inoculate because for some parts of the base anything other than complete total loyalty is a form of betrayal. But I don't think most of the base is like that. Most of the base appears ready to move on. The Bragg indictment is just a prelude to the main act.
 
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57Brave said:
The Lincoln Project
@ProjectLincoln
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DeSantis' support is tanking. To be fair, it started tanking the second he began speaking more on a national stage.
@StuartPStevens
with some thoughts on why Ron doesn’t have what it takes to make it to the 2024 finish line.
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Very influential thanks for posting. I’m now anti Ronny D
 
sturg33 said:
I think they are desperate to keep trump in the fold so they can continue their grift

DeSantis would be a disaster for them
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100%

I also just think they continue Trump coverage even if he loses. Some people are desperate to give money so someone will post “RT if you think TRUMP SHOULD BE LOCKED UP!!!”

If it ain’t broke…
 
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